Can the truth contradict itself?

[democracy]

We have often heard the statement that "Truth cannot contradict itself." What reasons are there for anyone to accept or reject this proposition? BTW, is this a definition or an axiom? Is it a self-evident truth, as they say? Is it something that we cannot argue against? Why?

Is this statement "THE TRUTH" that we have all been looking for? Then why proceed any further?

If this is a definition, it seems like it violates the rules of definition in that it is self-reflective. The statement could be rendered thus: "Truth does not contradict the truth."

To apply strict logic to our inquiry, if this is not a self-evident truth, then what premise is this proposition founded upon?

[LarsMac]

Only in Religion does Truth not find contradiction.

[LarsMac]

Which, in itself, is a contradiction.

[democracy]

Is that a yes or no?

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

It's a quantum superposition.

[Stephen Maturin]

Originally Posted by democracy

Is that a yes or no?

Of course.

[LarsMac]

Perceptions of Truth are often contradictory.

[mickthinks]

Did you mean Donald J Truth?

[democracy]

Define a cup. A cup is itself. Hmmm. Circular definition? If it's circular then can we state the opposite? - Truth CAN contradict itself. Is this a tautology?



Also, as a proposition, it has no premise or the premise is unstated. Can we supply a premise or a logical series of premises that lead to the statement as a conclusion? Try referring to some of the earliest philosophical discussions. Something about order in the universe?

[specious_reasons]

democracy is a poster here that I basically ignore. Sometimes I read their posts and wonder how high they were, or why they care so much about the nonsense that they prattle on about.

I read, "Define a cup. A cup is itself." So, I'm drinking out of my coffee mug with a water bottle next to me, and start thinking I can think of a few rules that define a cup, and a few rules that exclude things from being a cup, and maybe any strict definition of a cup will have exceptions. Examples that will depend on what rules you favor over other rules that determine if it's a cup. If I say, "Hand me that cup," you will give me the Jar-Jar Binks Tiki Mug because "cup" adequately enough describes that abomination in the situation. Words are both amazing and sloppy.

So, thank you, democracy, for leading me on a little mental detour that's both your fault and yet you had nothing to do with it.

[LarsMac]

The average Coffee Cup is five ounces, instead of eight, but My Coffee Cup is actually a Pint.

[democracy]

The most common response to the question has been that the proposition is true by definition. It is against the rules of definition to refer to the definiendum in the definiens. IOW, it is against the rules of definition to refer to the thing defined in the definition.
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[Crumb]

I'm so glad you solved this vexing conundrum.

[ceptimus]

In English ( a very sloppy language ), a cup starts out being something you can drink from. So a cup is a solid object that holds liquid in its concave upper surface, provided there's a gravitational field to keep the liquid pressing against the cup, and the whole arrangement is contained in a fluid (or vacuum) less dense than the liquid the cup holds.

Having formed a sloppy definition of a cup, the concept can then be extended to cover cup-shaped objects, and can even be used as a verb: 'cup your hands'. 'Cup your ears' would suggest using your hands, formed into cup shapes, behind your ears, to catch sound, and by extension, could just mean, 'listen up', where nothing cup-shaped, except the ears themselves, is involved.

Huge number of commas in that last sentence: commas are vaguely cup-shaped.

[-FX-]

Originally Posted by specious_reasons

democracy is a poster here that I basically ignore. Sometimes I read their posts and wonder how high they were, or why they care so much about the nonsense that they prattle on about.

I agree with you. The difference between us is this, I also view every other person here the same way.

Oh sure the regulars aren't trying to slip in Bible ideas, or other religious claptrap. But you are definitely pimping your own ideas, especially the TDS cult shit.

And in the larger picture of things, somebody who was raised on the Bible and is kind of obsessed with it, seems almost normal, compared to the ratshit insane people pushing Tranny pervs in the girls room, mutilation of children, child trafficking, men beating up women in women sports, illegal immigration and the destruction of Western culture, war and terrorism, "a transwomen is a real woman", and the rest of the cult bullshit.

Some perspective helps

[Sock Puppet]

Originally Posted by -FX-

Some perspective helps

Let us know if you ever get some.