A revolution in thought

[Spacemonkey]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

How many people have made discoveries that got no support until hundreds of years later.

Very few. How many successfully brought a discovery to light by completely disregarding any and all evidence?

[Spacemonkey]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

What a joke.

And you're the punchline.

You routinely evade and ignore my questions no matter how they are asked. You routinely assert without any argument that my reasoning is flawed and even tell me that I don't really believe what I post, even when I am being courteous towards you. So remind me again why I should treat you with anything other than the complete and utter disdain that you deserve.

[peacegirl]

What do people think about this experiment? I'm sure it's familiar.

Scientific Proof Thoughts & Intentions Can Alter The Physical World Around Us - The Mind Unleashed

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Spacemonkey

And you're the punchline.

You routinely evade and ignore my questions no matter how they are asked. You routinely assert without any argument that my reasoning is flawed and even tell me that I don't really believe what I post, even when I am being courteous towards you. So remind me again why I should treat you with anything other than the complete and utter disdain that you deserve.

You have not been courteous to me. You have been very condescending to me this whole time, and if I don't agree with you you call me names.

[peacegirl]

added to an earlier post:

Originally Posted by LadyShea

But people have killed while sleepwalking. And driven cars causing crashes.

If a person was unconscious while sleepwalking, that means he was not in a state of mind where he could give conscious consent. Therefore, how could he be held accountable for causing a crash when he wasn't consciously aware of what he was doing? I still don't see how a person, even in a sleepwalking state, could kill someone unless there was an underlying motive that his unconscious mind unleashed.

[Spacemonkey]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

You have not been courteous to me. You are very self-righteous.

When I've been courteous you've lied, weaseled, and evaded just as you are doing now.

[Spacemonkey]

Originally Posted by Spacemonkey

Bump.

Bump.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Spacemonkey

What you mean is that evidence supporting Lessans interests you (or would if there were any). The evidence against him doesn't interest you at all, for as you've already told us, you intend to still believe him no matter what the evidence shows.

Can you give an example of an astute observation from the book, and one of his claims from the book, and then show us (i) how the two are distinct from each other; and (ii) how the one is evidence for the other? Because as best as we can tell, he doesn't provide evidence for any of his claims, and his allegedly 'astute observations' are the very same claims that remain in need of support.

Apologize or

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Spacemonkey

When I've been courteous you've lied, weaseled, and evaded just as you are doing now.

You have never been courteous. Just because I have a different worldview does not entitle you to treat me like crap Spacemonkey.

[Spacemonkey]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

You have never been courteous.

That is yet another lie.

[Spacemonkey]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Apologize or

Go fuck yourself.

Originally Posted by Spacemonkey

What you mean is that evidence supporting Lessans interests you (or would if there were any). The evidence against him doesn't interest you at all, for as you've already told us, you intend to still believe him no matter what the evidence shows.

Can you give an example of an astute observation from the book, and one of his claims from the book, and then show us (i) how the two are distinct from each other; and (ii) how the one is evidence for the other? Because as best as we can tell, he doesn't provide evidence for any of his claims, and his allegedly 'astute observations' are the very same claims that remain in need of support.

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

added to an earlier post:

If a person was unconscious while sleepwalking

Um, they are asleep.

that means he was not in a state of mind where he could give conscious consent.

Yes, hence my posting about it to get your response.

Therefore, how could he be held accountable for causing a crash when he wasn't consciously aware of what he was doing?

Is driving while unconscious, "something that his conscience knows is wrong"? Is "the agent ultimately responsible for giving the okay to perform the action(of sleepdriving)"? Is the unconscious person "agreeing" to drive while asleep? If yes to any of those, then please clarify your position because you are saying contradictory things such as "a person cannot do what he doesn't agree to do whether it's on a conscious level or not".

I still don't see how a person, even in a sleepwalking state, could kill someone unless there was an underlying motive that his unconscious mind unleashed.

Maybe you should learn how it happens before making strong claims about it

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

That's why you and thedoc will get along just fine. Have fun fishing backwards.

Ahh, so in reality it's only "Pretend Ignore Island", what a relief. I was concerned that Peacegirl was missing all my wisdom that I was posting for her benefit.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by The Lone Ranger

Criminy! You'd sound a lot less stupid if you'd make even a minimal effort to educate yourself.

I must protest, Peacegirl has made the minimal effort to educate herself, if you count the very minimal as 'none at all'.

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by Vivisectus

LOL

So even if we do not consent to something and do it anyway, we must have consented to it, because if this is not the case then Peacegirl needs to change her beliefs.

You really do start out with the belief that your book is 100% correct and then just work back from there huh?

I know you edited this response at some point...did you finally read the links I provided with multiple examples?

So, do you maintain that people that do horrible and bizarre things in their sleep have agreed to it and "given" their permission (given by whom to whom?)...somehow? How do they agree with themselves? How do they give permission to themselves? How does this agreement and permission process take place within a single entity?

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

I have never had to discuss these side issues, but they have no bearing on the fact that nothing in this world can make us do anything against our will, if we don't want to do it.

Not true at all. Just this evening my wife heated up some stew and left the metal handled dipper in the stew after she had served herself. When I went to get some the handle was to hot to hold, so when I tried to grab it, I had to let go because it was too hot. I wanted to pick up the dipper, that was my will, but I had to let go because the handle was hot. I let go of the handle against my will, so there are conditions in this world that will make us do things that are against our will. I wanted to pick up the dipper, but against my will to do so, I couldn't. Just to be clear, letting go of the handle was 'against my will' OK.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

What is your problem Spacemonkey? Can't you get it through your head that I'm not talking to you?

This is so sad, another lie, Peacegirl is obviously 'talking to Spacemonkey'.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Cool, keep on spouting off expletives. It's sure going to make me warm and fuzzy toward you and make me want to answer all of your questions.

Why start now?

[LadyShea]

Nothing can make man do what he makes up his mind not to do. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink (if he doesn't want to)

So the woman in Denver on Ambien must have wanted to sleepwalk in 20 degree weather without warm clothes, drive her car while still asleep causing a crash, pee in the street in front of everyone, and physically fight with cops. After all NOTHING could have made her do that, she must have given herself permission and agreed with those actions.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

You have not been courteous to me. You have been very condescending to me this whole time, and if I don't agree with you you call me names.

No, it's when you have lied, evaded, weaseled, changed the subject, not answered his questions, moved the goalposts, etc. that he has called you appropriate names. If you ever honestly answered his questions and comments, I believe we would need to call an ambulance for him, from the shock.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Apologize or

More company on "Pretend Ignore Island"?

[The Lone Ranger]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

What do people think about this experiment? I'm sure it's familiar.

Scientific Proof Thoughts & Intentions Can Alter The Physical World Around Us - The Mind Unleashed

Oh, it's familiar, all right.

You are aware that Emoto's claims have been thoroughly demolished, are you not?

His "experiments" were conducted without any kind of controls, and were not blinded. He carefully selected evidence which seemed to support his view and discarded that which did not.

Kind of reminds me of someone else, now that I think of it ...

I don't know what you mean by academic integrity.

That may well be the single most truthful and honest thing you've ever written.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

So the woman in Denver on Ambien must have wanted to sleepwalk in 20 degree weather without warm clothes, drive her car while still asleep causing a crash, pee in the street in front of everyone, and physically fight with cops. After all NOTHING could have made her do that, she must have given herself permission and agreed with those actions.

Ahh, but that was a 'woman' not a 'man' and we all know what women are like, at least Peacegirl thinks she does?

TIC, TIC, TIC,

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

What do people think about this experiment? I'm sure it's familiar.

Scientific Proof Thoughts & Intentions Can Alter The Physical World Around Us - The Mind Unleashed

I can't speak for others, but I think Dr. Emoto is a class A crackpot.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

What do people think about this experiment? I'm sure it's familiar.

Scientific Proof Thoughts & Intentions Can Alter The Physical World Around Us - The Mind Unleashed

Your link doesn't work for me, but I will agree that our thoughts and intentions can alter our preception of the world around us, but I do not agree that our thoughts or intentions can change a rock into a loaf of bread, but I'm sure Peacegirl might try to eat it.