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03-22-2011, 09:47 PM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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I would prefer a national sales tax (for non food/medication) myself. It would certainly save a bundle in administrative costs, not having to pay the whole fucking IRS.
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Not for food or clothing either in my opinion.
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03-22-2011, 09:56 PM
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I read some of your foolish scree, then just skimmed the rest.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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I would prefer a national sales tax (for non food/medication) myself. It would certainly save a bundle in administrative costs, not having to pay the whole fucking IRS.
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The downside is that sales taxes affect lower income more as on average they spend more on goods (Upper class buys more services). However if it meant canning the IRS and redoing the practically million page tax code, I'm for it.
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03-22-2011, 10:00 PM
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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Right, she left Canada as prescribed by her Canadian doctor because their care is inferior, and she is rich. |
She had a breast rebuilt in California. Her cancer was treated in Canada. And you are a piece of shit.
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03-22-2011, 10:01 PM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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Right, she left Canada as prescribed by her Canadian doctor because their care is inferior, and she is rich. |
She had a breast rebuilt in California. Her cancer was treated in Canada. And you are a piece of shit. |
You are just mad because in Canada the rich people get to come to America for better health-care.
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03-22-2011, 10:04 PM
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
I think the fact that rich people can buy better care here while poor people go without basic care to be a failure of our system and not something we should brag about.
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Adam (03-22-2011), ChuckF (03-22-2011), Clutch Munny (03-22-2011), erimir (03-23-2011), freemonkey (03-22-2011), Gonzo (03-22-2011), Kael (03-22-2011), LadyShea (03-22-2011), lisarea (03-22-2011), Nullifidian (03-23-2011), The Man (03-23-2011), Watser? (03-22-2011)
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03-22-2011, 10:08 PM
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Clutchenheimer
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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Right, she left Canada as prescribed by her Canadian doctor because their care is inferior, and she is rich. |
She had a breast rebuilt in California. Her cancer was treated in Canada. And you are a piece of shit. |
You are just mad because in Canada the rich people get to come to America for better health-care. |
You're sure it's not because you're shamelessly lying about a woman's cancer in order to defend a barbarous system?
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03-22-2011, 10:09 PM
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
Surely it is fascinating that there are rich Canadians at all. 
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03-22-2011, 10:09 PM
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I said it, so I feel it, dick
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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I would prefer a national sales tax (for non food/medication) myself. It would certainly save a bundle in administrative costs, not having to pay the whole fucking IRS.
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The downside is that sales taxes affect lower income more as on average they spend more on goods (Upper class buys more services). However if it meant canning the IRS and redoing the practically million page tax code, I'm for it. |
If necessities were exempted, I mentioned food and medications and Jerome mentioned clothing (though I would want any clothing exemption capped to keep it within the "necessity" zone and out of the "luxury" zone), then it would be closer to equitable. Rich people buy lots of unnecessary and expensive shit.
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03-22-2011, 10:12 PM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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I think the fact that rich people can buy better care here while poor people go without basic care to be a failure of our system and not something we should brag about.
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Poor people are covered in America.
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03-22-2011, 10:13 PM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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Surely it is fascinating that there are rich Canadians at all. |
Oligarchy/Socialism works that way.
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03-22-2011, 10:15 PM
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I said it, so I feel it, dick
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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Poor people are covered in America.
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For some very narrow definitions of poor, then ya, kinda. There are many people who make too much to qualify for aid that I would still consider poor, and who definitely couldn't afford cancer treatments.
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03-22-2011, 10:19 PM
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I read some of your foolish scree, then just skimmed the rest.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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Poor people are covered in America.
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Knowing a number of poor people I can say that I almost spit my coffee out smirking at how much complete and total Bullshit that is.
America's current coverage of poor people is to let them die, that way there will be fewer poor people.
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03-22-2011, 10:28 PM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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Poor people are covered in America.
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Knowing a number of poor people I can say that I almost spit my coffee out smirking at how much complete and total Bullshit that is.
America's current coverage of poor people is to let them die, that way there will be fewer poor people. |
Thus you are against government run health-care as your description of government run health-care is "current coverage of poor people is to let them die, that way there will be fewer poor people".
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03-22-2011, 10:31 PM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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Poor people are covered in America.
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For some very narrow definitions of poor, then ya, kinda. There are many people who make too much to qualify for aid that I would still consider poor, and who definitely couldn't afford cancer treatments. |
.... these people that you consider poor could afford the cancer treatment if the government was not taxing their labor to pay for the killing of Libyans.
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03-22-2011, 10:32 PM
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the internet says I'm right
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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Income tax is immoral.
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Why? Not that I'm saying we absolutely have to have an income tax instead of other forms of taxes, but saying it is immoral (full stop, not just under certain circumstances or misuse) seems like a pretty bold claim. What do you have to back it up? |
Taxing the labor of a person is immoral. You are literally taxing their ability to care for themselves. |
This only restates your assertion. I'm asking for supporting arguments, not a rewording.
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03-22-2011, 10:33 PM
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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.... these people that you consider poor could afford the cancer treatment if the government was not taxing their labor to pay for the killing of Libyans.
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Like they can in Somalia, where there are no taxes at all, and everyone enjoys better medical care than in Canada, Denmark, or Norway, those socialist shitholes.
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03-22-2011, 10:36 PM
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I read some of your foolish scree, then just skimmed the rest.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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Thus you are against government run health-care as your description of government run health-care is "current coverage of poor people is to let them die, that way there will be fewer poor people".
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 Um no, you can haz bad logic.
I'm against crap health care for poor people.
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03-22-2011, 10:39 PM
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Fishy mokey
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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Income tax is immoral.
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Why? Not that I'm saying we absolutely have to have an income tax instead of other forms of taxes, but saying it is immoral (full stop, not just under certain circumstances or misuse) seems like a pretty bold claim. What do you have to back it up? |
Taxing the labor of a person is immoral. You are literally taxing their ability to care for themselves. |
This only restates your assertion. I'm asking for supporting arguments, not a rewording. |
It's a fucking ridiculous assertion too. It's much better than sales tax. Sales tax is literally taxing the food they need to buy for their starving children. Why do you want to starve children, Jerome?
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03-22-2011, 10:41 PM
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I said it, so I feel it, dick
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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.... these people that you consider poor could afford the cancer treatment if the government was not taxing their labor
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You have got to be kidding me. My neighbor's treatment was hundreds of thousands of dollars in a single year. It was more than he made before taxes.
Routine surgery like an appendectomy can cost 15k. If someone makes say 35k a year, you think their income and payroll taxes are 15k ?
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03-22-2011, 10:42 PM
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Well he should have thought about that before he got cancer. He probably only got cancer so he could tax the first dollar of poor people's income. This is how the market works.
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03-22-2011, 10:45 PM
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Hey dudes, I am actually reading this Dutch book about Canada as we type. It's a book for children's book wot I'm reading for work. It says here that Canadian healthcare is among the best in the world!
Fortunately this kind of socialist propaganda will soon be removed from our libraries.
Haha, just kidding. When this rightwing government is done there will be no libraries.
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03-22-2011, 10:45 PM
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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Poor people are covered in America.
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For some very narrow definitions of poor, then ya, kinda. There are many people who make too much to qualify for aid that I would still consider poor, and who definitely couldn't afford cancer treatments. |
.... these people that you consider poor could afford the cancer treatment if the government was not taxing their labor to pay for the killing of Libyans. |
Really now? I'd like to see those numbers.
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03-22-2011, 10:46 PM
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I'm sure Jerome will be more than happy to make them up.
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03-22-2011, 10:56 PM
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
Working poor! 15% 22% 28% Hut! Hut! Lie!
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03-22-2011, 10:58 PM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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.... these people that you consider poor could afford the cancer treatment if the government was not taxing their labor
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You have got to be kidding me. My neighbor's treatment was hundreds of thousands of dollars in a single year. It was more than he made before taxes.
Routine surgery like an appendectomy can cost 15k. If someone makes say 35k a year, you think their income and payroll taxes are 15k ? |
If government didn't force insurgence companies to pay for infected hang nails then catastrophic insurance would be inexpensive.
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