A revolution in thought

[Dragar]

And now peacegirl is linking to papers on vixra by Sorli, author of gems such as "Information Transfer Consciousness-Matter" and "Consciousness as a Basic Frequency of Quantum Space". I'm sure he's not a crackpot and knows what he's talking about!

Are you trying to make us laugh, peacegirl?

[erimir]

I'm confused.

I thought Lessans had discovered undeniable truths.

Yet here they've been denied for over 40,000 posts and 3 years.

Why are you still here, peacegirl?

I thought you said you would leave.

[davidm]

Originally Posted by dum-dum

This guy really knows what he's talking about but, of course, you will call him a crackpot.

Could you explain, in your own words for a change, how you KNOW that he knows what he's talking about, dum-dum?

You don't know anything about this stuff. You don't know anything at all! Since you are wholly ignorant of this subject (as well as every other subject), it's impossible for you to evaluate it!

But, no, you take after your arrogant and imbecilic father, proclaiming confidently and, as you would have it, unerringly on stuff about which your knowledge is exactly zero!

You wonder why people laugh at you and treat you with contempt?

[Spacemonkey]

Originally Posted by Dingbat

I have been honest.

That is a lie.

Originally Posted by Dingbat

I have answered your questions.

That is also a lie.

Originally Posted by Dingbat

What do you want me to do?

Stop lying and answer these questions:

Please answer my questions about THESE photons (the ones at the camera film on Earth at 12:00 when the Sun is first ignited), and without mentioning or reverting to any other different photons.

You need photons at the camera film when the Sun is first ignited.

Are they traveling photons?

Did they come from the Sun?

Did they get to the film by traveling?

Did they travel at the speed of light?

Can they leave the Sun before it is ignited?

Don't commit the postman's mistake by talking about different photons from those which are at the retina at 12:00. Don't even mention any photons other than those I have asked about. If you get to the end of the questions and realize the photons you are talking about are not the ones at the film at 12:00, then you have fucked up again and have failed to actually answer what was asked.

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

According to the semantics analysis term “space-time” is an “empty” term in the sense that it does not corresponds any physical reality and also does not correspond any mathematical reality. Correct term for Minkowski space is a “four dimensional space” instead “space-time”.

The lack of articles suggest this author's first language is not English and I am not entirely clear what s/he is attempting to convey. Can you explain exactly what the author meant in these sentences?

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by Dragar

And now peacegirl is linking to papers on vixra by Sorli, author of gems such as "Information Transfer Consciousness-Matter" and "Consciousness as a Basic Frequency of Quantum Space". I'm sure he's not a crackpot and knows what he's talking about!

Are you trying to make us laugh, peacegirl?

Sorli also wrote papers claiming to have measured the weight of Prana

I am p. sure Dr. Amrit Sorli is a lady, so will refer to her as she

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

What does this prove? We know nothing can move without motion, but this does not prove that time is a physical entity. You are trying to attribute properties to time that it doesn't have.

Who said that time is a physical entity? Do you think space is a physical entity? What are the physical properties of space that you accept its existence?

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

nothing can move without motion

LOL! Circles can't be circular without circularity.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by davidm

How, then, did you type those two moronic sentences that I just quoted? When you began typing them, it was an earlier time relative to the typing of the period of the last sentence, which was at a later time!

Yes, each time I type it is a later time than the sentence I typed earlier, but every single sentence was written in the present, not the past. Our memory is what gives us the feeling that the past actually exists, but there is no such thing as the past or the future in reality. We only have the present.

Originally Posted by davidm

Every time you open your mouth the Big Stupid falls out.

Will the real please stand up?

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by davidm

Actually, no. People on earth essentially share the same inertial frame for all practical purposes, but astronauts have aged less than people on the ground.

Maybe it's because no gravity has less pull on the skin; did you ever think of that? But living with no gravity also causes severe muscle weakness. Looking younger certainly isn't due to actually being younger as a result of the slowing down of time.

[davidm]

LOL, you are so fucking stupid! What else can one say?

You buffoon of a father didn't get past seventh grade. Did you make it past second grade?

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Yes, each time I type it is a later time than the sentence I typed earlier, but every single sentence was written in the present, not the past. Our memory is what gives us the feeling that the past actually exists, but there is no such thing as the past or the future in reality. We only have the present.

The "present" ceases to exist before any action can even be completed, before we can think the word "now". The present in a constant state of becoming the past, so can't really be said to exist in any meaningful way.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by thedoc

The problem here is that Peacegirl is using a very strict definition of dimension, that is a measurement that we can move along in either direction and go to whatever point we choose. Others are using dimension as a unit of measurement, in this case the passage of time, without the capability of controlling where on that dimension we are, or which direction we travel. We are here, now,

Spaceballs - When does this happen in the movie?! - YouTube

and are going in the direction of the future. It is possible to have some limited control of how fast we travel along the dimension of time, but there are difficulties.

That was a funny clip. Apropos for this discussion.

[davidm]

For the buffoon peacegirl

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by thedoc

Again you are accusing someone of prematurely judging what others have written, but you don't know what that someone has read of that particular author. You are making accusations out of ignorance, but then that's typical of you and Lessans, making statements out of ignorance.

I believe she said that she won't read or watch anything that comes from a crackpot. That's sort of a catch 22.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by But

Four-velocity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Four-acceleration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bollocks again. Time as a fourth dimension is the basis of special and general relativity, which is part of the scientific and technological state of the art.

Scientific and technological state of the art? I call it plain old pseudoscience since there is no fourth dimension called spacetime which can bend, dilate, or contract. These ideas are taking people off course and leading them into the realm of pure science fiction. Sorry Einstein; I don't mean to be disrespectful.

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

I believe she said that she won't read or watch anything that comes from a crackpot. That's sort of a catch 22.

I never said that. I said I don't like to get data heavy information from videos and prefer to read things, so I can look up citations and terms, and easily refer back.

I read crackpots all the time and try to do some vetting...that's how I learn they are crackpots.

Have you read Dianetics? How did you judge Scientology a cult without reading what L.Ron Hubbard wrote? Have you read www.timecube.com? How have you judged Gene Ray? Maybe he is spot on with his 4 simultaneous days in 24 hours idea!

[davidm]

LOL, the buffoon babbles on.

Hey, buffoon, "spacetime" is NOT the "fourth dimension." Time is.

This is worth reading for anyone who wants to brush up on spacetime and special and general relativity, or learn about them for the first time. Don't you try to read it, peacegirl, your little pink bubblegum brain would assplode.

This stuff is awesome.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by davidm

Could you explain, in your own words for a change, how you KNOW that he knows what he's talking about, dum-dum?

You don't know anything about this stuff. You don't know anything at all! Since you are wholly ignorant of this subject (as well as every other subject), it's impossible for you to evaluate it!

But, no, you take after your arrogant and imbecilic father, proclaiming confidently and, as you would have it, unerringly on stuff about which your knowledge is exactly zero!

You wonder why people laugh at you and treat you with contempt?

The disdain and laughter has been created partially by YOU. YOU and a few others have been the main ring leaders which has given my father a bad name. I never said I understood all this stuff, but I don't have to. All I need to know is that the past and future do not exist on any timeline because time is not a dimension.

p. 489 As we have learned in Chapter Four, our brain is divided into
compartments, and in the memory section are innumerable word
slides on which are recorded our experiences. A second ago, yesterday,
last week, last month, two years ago, two thousand years ago, are slides
in our brain projector through which we see the number of times, or
what portion of one time, the earth revolves on its axis; but if we were
not able to remember (store away these slides), the word past would
never have come into existence because we are born, grow old, and die
all in the present. In reality, everything that we can possibly do from
the time we get up to the time we go to bed, and even our sleep, is
done in the present, as is the shining of the sun.

“Are you saying that if man wasn’t able to remember what he did,
there would be no such thing as the past?”

If I said to you, “What did you do yesterday?” and you were
unable to understand my words, only the present would exist for you.
The recollection of the various things we did in our life, or to put it
another way, the recollection of our past is just as good as our
memory, but if we were not able to remember (store away these word
slides that contain every conceivable kind of relation), the word past
would never have come into existence.

We use words like beginning and end, apply this to
the universe and think we perceive mathematical relations. We say
God is the first cause, and we reason from here as if we are discussing
reality. Yet there are innumerable relations which cannot be denied
once they are understood. The actual reason it isn’t strange to me
that you are alive this moment and conscious of your existence with
the earth as old as it is, is because there is no such thing as the past or
future.

Consciousness, like the sun, can only exist in the present and
it is absolutely impossible for any consciousness to exist but your very
own. By perceiving things that are born and die, and by not
understanding the underlying substance, a fallacious relation develops
which can easily be clarified once the word symbols are understood.

“I know that all we have is actually the present, so does everybody
else, but what does that prove?”

“It is just fact number one; there is no such thing as the past or
future simply because the only thing we can ever have is the present.
Are we in agreement so far?"

“I can’t disagree, so I guess I must agree.”

“Therefore, the next fact to be established, and the most important, is that...

[ceptimus]

peacegirl, without time dilation how do you explain the observed abundance of muons at sea level?

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

I never said that. I said I don't like to get data heavy information from videos and prefer to read things, so I can look up citations and terms, and easily refer back.

I read crackpots all the time and try to do some vetting...that's how I learn they are crackpots.

Have you read Dianetics? How did you judge Scientology a cult without reading what L.Ron Hubbard wrote? Have you read Time Cube How have you judged Gene Ray? Maybe he is spot on with his 4 simultaneous days in 24 hours idea!

I didn't read Dianetics. My father mentioned it in his book to make a point. I don't like cults or any type of program that brainwashes.

p. 554 Many philosophers in trying
to be educated have taken a simple truth which could have been
explained in a very few words and then made a profound book out of
it which nobody understood all because they judged the value of the
book by the quantity of big words and how difficult of being grasped.
How many poets, philosophers, psychiatrists and psychologists have
been accorded fame because they imparted their own meaning and
used this as a confirmation of wisdom. To agree with a famous person
is an unconscious way of saying, “I am as smart as he is” only he got
a lucky break or he is able to express himself better.

Aristotle stopped
the world from thinking for a while because everybody agreed with
what he had to say — due to his world renown. Can you imagine
what he would say about this book? How many of you recognized in
Durant’s Mansions of Philosophy your own wisdom, which now turns
out to be ignorance? Another way of building up one’s own feeling of
superiority is by disagreeing, but the great humor lies in the fact that
the standards we used to judge another were equally fallacious.
Because 6 is closer to the answer of the cow problem than 7 doesn’t
make it less wrong, nor does a book like Dianetics become more true
because it is dedicated to Durant, or less true because it was not
accepted by psychiatry.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by ceptimus

peacegirl, without time dilation how do you explain the observed abundance of muons at sea level?

I don't know anything about muons at sea level. All I know is that we live and breathe in the present.

[But]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Scientific and technological state of the art? I call it plain old pseudoscience since there is no fourth dimension called spacetime which can bend, dilate, or contract. These ideas are taking people off course and leading them into the realm of pure science fiction. Sorry Einstein; I don't mean to be disrespectful.

You obviously have no clue. Those things are proven fact backed by mathematical precision, as opposed to the harebrained twaddle your father made up.

Originally Posted by peacegirl

p. 489 As we have learned in Chapter Four, our brain is divided into
compartments, and in the memory section are innumerable word
slides

[davidm]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

I don't know anything about muons at sea level. All I know is that we live and breathe in the present.

Muons are a direct demonstration of time dilation.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Maybe it's because no gravity has less pull on the skin; did you ever think of that? But living with no gravity also causes severe muscle weakness. Looking younger certainly isn't due to actually being younger as a result of the slowing down of time.

Well there is another subject that Peacegirl has demonstrated her complete lack on knowledge of the body of knowledge that has been accumulated through rigorous scientific testing, observation, and experimentation. It's Really no surprise that she would post something so completely out of touch with reality and science as it is known today.