A revolution in thought - Page 1322

peacegirl · #**33026** 10-21-2013, 03:21 AM

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How do you want the math done? Does each dose of MMR count as 1 or as 3? Also I will be using the 2013, not the 2007 you offered.

LadyShea, I'm not into arguing about this. I gave what I found; if it's not satisfactory to you, then find out what is satisfactory. Then compare the two. See if there is a discrepancy between the vaccine schedule in Denmark and the U.S.. They should do this with the Amish as well. This is not just to prove I'm right. This is to find out whether there is a possible link between illness and vaccines. So please stop trying to make this just my issue, okay?

Your claim was that the US administers three times the doses of vaccines as Denmark. If you are refusing to support that assertion by doing the math, then retract your claim as something you just parroted without verifying yet again. Why should I do YOUR work for you?

Weasel, why did you ignore this portion of post?

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And yes of course there are discrepancies. They have different disease prevalence and a different population in a different climate with different needs...DUH.

A different population? Are we from different planets? Is what you are saying that no population can be compared to any other population in any substantial way?

No, we are not from different planets. No, I am not saying that populations can't be compared. You need to learn to read because I was very clear in my point.

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Also, are you aware that the recommended schedule is not necessarily the mandated schedule? In my state, for example, the Heps are not required for school, nor is flu, nor is the rotavirus. Remove those and the mandated schedule is the same as Denmark's, except for Chickenpox (either vaccine or statement of immunity due to having had it) which Denmark doesn't do as routine.

People usually listen to their doctor's recommendation which comes from the American Pediatric Association, not necessarily what is required for school.

Your complaint all along has been about the government "forcing" of vaccines, not about doctor's recommendations. Shouldn't you be informed of which vaccines are in fact mandated and which are only recommended?

Parents don't usually question the recommended schedule because they trust their doctor knows what's best. They also know that when a child enters school, these vaccines will be required by law.

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Are you trying to say that the vaccine schedule in Denmark is not much different than the U.S.?

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Is it? You were the one wanting to compare.

Maybe it's not a good comparison after all. A better way to find out what's going on is to compare unvaccinated populations to vaccinated populations (with similar lifestyles), and remove as many other influences that could have an effect on the outcome as possible.

peacegirl · #**33027** 10-21-2013, 03:31 AM

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How do you want the math done? Does each dose of MMR count as 1 or as 3? Also I will be using the 2013, not the 2007 you offered.

It doesn't matter if you say one dose or three as long as you keep it the same across the board.

LadyShea · #**33028** 10-21-2013, 03:43 AM

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Then parents deserve the right to make that choice, not government. There is no proof that children who are not vaccinated pose any risk to other children.

Parents who exercise a vaccine exemption for their children are often ridiculed for putting their own children and others at risk. However, legally and medically, unvaccinated children do not pose a significant health risk to themselves or anyone else. Alternative vaccine views support this assertion, but the reasoning in this article comes straight from mainstream vaccine beliefs, accepted medical practice and current law.[1]

Vaccine exemptions: Do they really put others at risk?

I posted several reports where one person caused an outbreak...leading to a miscarriage and several hospitalizations in one case and exposing over 1000 people in another. How can that not be putting others at risk?

Seriously LadyShea, if vaccines were so great, how could one exempt child cause such a catastrophe especially to people who are already vaccinated?

1. They are a danger to those too young to have been vaccinated, those who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons such as allergies, those for whom the vaccines don't work, and those who are immunocompromised for various reasons...so basically the young, the elderly, and the sick....and of course the other unvaccinated people in their community which leads to...

First of all, an immunocompromised person could get sick from a vaccinated person too.

Yes, but a vaccinated person is less likely to have the disease and expose others.

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An infant usually has its mother's antibodies for a certain period of time.

Yes, but not against everything.

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And most parents do not expose their infants to public facilities where a baby could pick up germs.

What a ridiculous notion, where did you get it? Do you have memory problems that lead you to think it's 1950?

What world do you live in where infants aren't out and about in public daily? I see a dozen on any trip to the grocery store. There are infants at all the sports practices and games we attend (there with their parents while older siblings play). Do you know how many infants go to day care facilities full time? The 2011 census states over 12 million children under 4 years were in regular child care outside the home.

Spacemonkey · #**33029** 10-21-2013, 03:52 AM

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Because I made a decision that after my daughter's wedding I will start working on this. It will take up all of my time.

And no doubt, just like your previous decisions to stop talking about light, to stop talking about vaccines, and your multiple decisions to leave this forum, it will be a decision that you will subsequently decide to completely discard.

Angakuk · #**33030** 10-21-2013, 03:54 AM

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And please stop the sarcasm Kael, we should be beyond that.

Most of your posts invite sarcasm the way shit draws flies.

peacegirl · #**33031** 10-21-2013, 01:38 PM

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Then parents deserve the right to make that choice, not government. There is no proof that children who are not vaccinated pose any risk to other children.

Parents who exercise a vaccine exemption for their children are often ridiculed for putting their own children and others at risk. However, legally and medically, unvaccinated children do not pose a significant health risk to themselves or anyone else. Alternative vaccine views support this assertion, but the reasoning in this article comes straight from mainstream vaccine beliefs, accepted medical practice and current law.[1]

Vaccine exemptions: Do they really put others at risk?

I posted several reports where one person caused an outbreak...leading to a miscarriage and several hospitalizations in one case and exposing over 1000 people in another. How can that not be putting others at risk?

Seriously LadyShea, if vaccines were so great, how could one exempt child cause such a catastrophe especially to people who are already vaccinated?

1. They are a danger to those too young to have been vaccinated, those who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons such as allergies, those for whom the vaccines don't work, and those who are immunocompromised for various reasons...so basically the young, the elderly, and the sick....and of course the other unvaccinated people in their community which leads to...

First of all, an immunocompromised person could get sick from a vaccinated person too.

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Yes, but a vaccinated person is less likely to have the disease and expose others.

Not necessarily true.

Myth busted: Vaccinations are not immunizations
Tuesday, May 15, 2012 by: Craig Stellpflug

There is only one kind of immunity and that is natural immunity which is achieved by battling the infectious diseases itself. Vaccination is merely the artificial triggering of temporary responses to manmade pathogens. Vaccines are both harmful and dangerous and are leading to generations of humans with no natural defenses to disease.

Vaccines do not provide long-term immunity; only temporary at best. In vaccines, an antigen is injected into the body to produce a reaction and the immune system responds in the form of antibodies, but antibody presence does not confer immunity. People still catch the diseases that they are vaccinated against.

Learn more: Myth busted: Vaccinations are not immunizations

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An infant usually has its mother's antibodies for a certain period of time.

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Yes, but not against everything.

Enough immunity to get him through the early stages of infancy.

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And most parents do not expose their infants to public facilities where a baby could pick up germs.

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What a ridiculous notion, where did you get it? Do you have memory problems that lead you to think it's 1950?

What world do you live in where infants aren't out and about in public daily? I see a dozen on any trip to the grocery store. There are infants at all the sports practices and games we attend (there with their parents while older siblings play). Do you know how many infants go to day care facilities full time? The 2011 census states over 12 million children under 4 years were in regular child care outside the home.

Well, as I said infants get a strong immunity from the parent to give them the best chance for survival. God doesn't make mistakes, and he doesn't need people to do a better job at protecting what He created. Remember, things that man believes he can control by way of his inventions have a way of backfiring as we have seen with global warming, too many antibiotics, and too much radiation. We're taking our knowledge of vaccines too far and we're seeing the unfortunate results more and more.

thedoc · #**33032** 10-21-2013, 02:03 PM

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And please stop the sarcasm Kael, we should be beyond that.

Most of your posts invite sarcasm the way shit draws flies.

Do you have any more information on these 'Sarcastic Flies'? Photos would be appreciated.

LadyShea · #**33033** 10-21-2013, 02:15 PM

Every recent outbreak both domestically and internationally has been amongst unvaccinated groups as well as brought in to that community by an unvaccinated person.

So, again, good luck with your conscience...by opposing vaccinations you might persuade someone to not get them, who causes an outbreak that kills a baby or an old person or causes a miscarriage. But freedom, amiright?

thedoc · #**33034** 10-21-2013, 02:16 PM

Interesting, a lot of things anyone could tack onto the end of their name with no training at all.

"Craig Stellpflug is a Cancer Nutrition Specialist, Lifestyle Coach and Neuro Development Consultant at Healing Pathways Medical Clinic, Scottsdale, AZ."

There is no indication that he had any schooling or education for any of this. But then that would be the same qualifications that Lessans had.

LadyShea · #**33035** 10-21-2013, 02:18 PM

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God doesn't make mistakes, and he doesn't need people to do a better job at protecting what He created.

LOL, where was he when 2 out of 5 children died by age 5? Why does he hate poor people now? Why are babies born with Harlequin Fetus?

peacegirl · #**33036** 10-21-2013, 02:43 PM

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Every recent outbreak both domestically and internationally has been amongst unvaccinated groups as well as brought in to that community by an unvaccinated person.

So, again, good luck with your conscience...by opposing vaccinations you might persuade someone to not get them, who causes an outbreak that kills a baby or an old person or causes a miscarriage. But freedom, amiright?

Could you in a court of law cut down a mother who claims that her child is not the same child that she bore after the vaccine was given 24 hours before? Could you really? You are so self-righteous, you can't even admit that you could be wrong.

peacegirl · #**33037** 10-21-2013, 02:45 PM

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God doesn't make mistakes, and he doesn't need people to do a better job at protecting what He created.

LOL, where was he when 2 out of 5 children died by age 5? Why does he hate poor people now? Why are babies born with Harlequin Fetus?

That's not the point I was making. I was making the point that nature does not automatically solve hygiene or poverty issues. What I am saying is that sometimes too much of a good thing can be dangerous. We can take it to a level that will eventually implode and turn against us. We could be victims of our own success. Do you even know what that means?

LadyShea · #**33038** 10-21-2013, 03:09 PM

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I was making the point that nature does not automatically solve hygiene or poverty issues.

By saying that God doesn't make mistakes and His creation doesn't need human protection?

Why use the histrionic and emotionally laden language if it doesn't even convey what you mean?

LadyShea · #**33039** 10-21-2013, 03:13 PM

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Every recent outbreak both domestically and internationally has been amongst unvaccinated groups as well as brought in to that community by an unvaccinated person.

So, again, good luck with your conscience...by opposing vaccinations you might persuade someone to not get them, who causes an outbreak that kills a baby or an old person or causes a miscarriage. But freedom, amiright?

Could you in a court of law cut down a mother who claims that her child is not the same child that she bore after the vaccine was given 24 hours before? Could you really? You are so self-righteous, it's hard for me to stomach talking to you.

"Cut down"? WTF? Anyway let's turn that around....Could you say to your own son that not vaccinating your grandchildren was the right thing to encourage even if your grandchild died of a vaccine preventable disease?

Look in the mirror sister, you're the self righteous one who believes she has the single and only answer to world peace just waiting around to be marketed after a wedding.

LadyShea · #**33040** 10-21-2013, 03:15 PM

And if you don't like talking to me, you know the solution for that. You aren't mandated to talk to me.

peacegirl · #**33041** 10-21-2013, 03:16 PM

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God doesn't make mistakes, and he doesn't need people to do a better job at protecting what He created.

LOL, where was he when 2 out of 5 children died by age 5? Why does he hate poor people now? Why are babies born with Harlequin Fetus?

I have no idea the percentage of babies born with this condition. Babies are born with all kinds of genetic conditions. People also die of murder, disease, accidents and hunger. Man is trying to correct these problems, but sometimes in his eagerness, he may be causing more harm than good. Why do you think a doctor says the Hippocratic Oath, First Do No Harm? Because he knows it is very easy to do harm if he is not careful.

peacegirl · #**33042** 10-21-2013, 03:19 PM

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Every recent outbreak both domestically and internationally has been amongst unvaccinated groups as well as brought in to that community by an unvaccinated person.

So, again, good luck with your conscience...by opposing vaccinations you might persuade someone to not get them, who causes an outbreak that kills a baby or an old person or causes a miscarriage. But freedom, amiright?

Could you in a court of law cut down a mother who claims that her child is not the same child that she bore after the vaccine was given 24 hours before? Could you really? You are so self-righteous, it's hard for me to stomach talking to you.

"Cut down"? WTF? Anyway let's turn that around....Could you say to your own son that not vaccinating your grandchildren was the right thing to encourage even if your grandchild died of a vaccine preventable disease?

Look in the mirror sister, you're the self righteous one who believes she has the single and only answer to world peace just waiting around to be marketed after a wedding.

You can't even give an inch LadyShea for fear that you are not the end all of every research article that has been written. Why can't you back off a little bit woman and see if maybe your analysis could be tainted? If you can't do this, you will never know whether your defense if flawed in a major way. I know my father has a discovery and I also know that this IS THE ANSWER TO WORLD PEACE. You have assumed from day one that this could not possibly be true, so we were off on a wrong course from the beginning. I have a life LadyShea, and I also have an illness. Yes, if I don't pace myself I will be unable to spread his knowledge, and that will be unfortunate.

LadyShea · #**33043** 10-21-2013, 03:25 PM

LOL, world peace can wait until after the wedding.

Why have you not been working on a marketing plan for the last 5 years?

peacegirl · #**33044** 10-21-2013, 03:33 PM

dupe

peacegirl · #**33045** 10-21-2013, 03:36 PM

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LOL, world peace can wait until after the wedding.

Why have you not been working on a marketing plan for the last 5 years?

Oh my god, you are so out of line it's tough for me to even converse with you. I have been working 12 years on this book. I could not put an inferior book out that deals with something so important. I used my abilities to do the best I could, and I think I've done a good job. TO REPEAT: I would never have put a book out until I knew that it was the very best I could do. Fortunately, the best I could do happens to be good enough.

Vivisectus · #**33046** 10-21-2013, 03:48 PM

Please note that "working" is one of those words that means something completely different in Lessanese, where preparing to attend a wedding is a major undertaking that needs to be done in stages so as to not get "overwhelmed".

We can only assume that when PG goes to a shoe store, she buys the pair one at a time, and with a week between purchases, to avoid overload.

thedoc · #**33047** 10-21-2013, 05:36 PM

Wouldn't it have been better for the wedding to have occurred in a world at peace, with no war, crime, where no-one would be hurt? Now that poor couple will start married life in a world of war, crime and hate, all because Peacegirl was dragging her feet getting this discovery out into the world. Could it be that she really isn't as sure of it as she claims?

thedoc · #**33048** 10-21-2013, 06:01 PM

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I have been working 12 years on this book. I could not put an inferior book out that deals with something so important. I used my abilities to do the best I could, and I think I've done a good job. TO REPEAT: I would never have put a book out until I knew that it was the very best I could do. Fortunately, the best I could do happens to be good enough.

How many millions of people have died because Peacegirl has been 'Nit-Picking' the book to death?

peacegirl · #**33049** 10-21-2013, 06:30 PM

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Every recent outbreak both domestically and internationally has been amongst unvaccinated groups as well as brought in to that community by an unvaccinated person.

So, again, good luck with your conscience...by opposing vaccinations you might persuade someone to not get them, who causes an outbreak that kills a baby or an old person or causes a miscarriage. But freedom, amiright?

I would be leery of telling anyone what to do, but in this world there are so many lies that I will research the issue and try to get accurate information. I will also discuss this issue with my son who is going to have a child in January. Since you asked me this question, let me ask you: How would you feel if you gave the wrong advice LadyShea since you seem to know so much?

peacegirl · #**33050** 10-21-2013, 06:37 PM

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Wouldn't it have been better for the wedding to have occurred in a world at peace, with no war, crime, where no-one would be hurt? Now that poor couple will start married life in a world of war, crime and hate, all because Peacegirl was dragging her feet getting this discovery out into the world. Could it be that she really isn't as sure of it as she claims?

I know the way people are. One book reviewer wrote: Please don't send your book to me if there's any typos. Talk about pettiness. That's the way people are; they judge by all kinds of false standards. I know what I'm up against. I watched my father try to get his book recognized so peace could prevail but to no avail, and it's no different 50 years later.