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10-10-2015, 11:07 PM
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Re: Drive by science
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It's boggling to try and imagine how something crops up from nothing and still can't be observed or measured because it's nothing and when it's done spawning from nothing maybe goes back to being nothing. Dark Matter/Energy be trippin, y'all.
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Maybe when space expands it creates new space to fill in the gaps.
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HOW CAN THERE BE GAPS IN SPACE?
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It's really best not to think of this way at all.
When you write down Einstein's equations for gravity, you have one term that describes the curvature of space time, and one term that describes the combined energy-momentum of matter. So energy/momentum bends spacetime - it gravitates. (The addition to this equation is that the curvature of spacetime describes the way matter moves through it - matter tells spacetime how to curve, and the curvature of spacetime tells matter how to move.)
Now, there's a weird thing where isn't the most general form of the field equations. There's another, perfectly consistent form, which is where you have an extra term - a constant (I'm sloppily describing the mathematics here, but it's good enough).
For small values of that constant, it's pretty undetectable in everyday life. And it can live on either side of that equation. It can be matter, or it can be curvature.
This term, it turns out, perfectly describes the accelerating expansion of the universe - what's now termed 'dark energy'. On large scales (for for a particular sign, depending on which side of the equation it is) it functions as repulsion between matter.
But because we don't have a physical interpretation for this mathematics, you can either view it as some sort of matter with a very odd behaviour (you can't ever 'dilute' it - if you consider it in more space, there's just more of it in terms of its gravitational effect, so the energy density is always the same) or as a sort of intrinsic addition to the curvature of even empty spacetime. Really, we don't know what it is.
Also, space doesn't expand. Stuff gets further apart.
Now, that's dark energy. Dark matter is much more boring. It's just matter that doesn't glow (hence 'dark'). The dark energy was discovered later and seemed to acquire the same moniker, but it's really very different and probably needs a better name (I like Sean Carrol's 'smooth tension', but it never really caught on).
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10-11-2015, 07:43 AM
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Re: Drive by science
It's tough for a newblet like me to know when I'm getting a good condensed analogy for some of the higher physics.
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10-11-2015, 01:33 PM
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Re: Drive by science
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It's tough for a newblet like me to know when I'm getting a good condensed analogy for some of the higher physics.
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This really needs a one-smilie response, but I'm struggling to choose between several obvious candidates. Magic 8-ball? ...
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10-13-2015, 06:23 PM
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Re: Drive by science
CRIKEY! LOOKIT THE SIZE OF THIS THING.
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10-13-2015, 07:16 PM
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Re: Drive by science
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10-13-2015, 08:37 PM
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Re: Drive by science
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10-16-2015, 05:08 AM
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Re: Drive by science
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10-16-2015, 07:20 PM
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Re: Drive by science
A Dyson sphere or similar can't be ruled out (yet). There is this star, and the brightness varies a lot on a non-periodic time line, as if something is getting in the way. A new, strange thing in the vacuum of space.
Has Kepler Discovered an Alien Megastructure? : Discovery News
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It might be a long shot, and the phenomenon is more likely a clump of comets or some other natural phenomenon that we haven’t accounted for blocking star light from view, but it’s worth investigating, especially if there really is some kind of alien intelligence building structures, or perhaps, ancient structures of a civilization long-gone, around a star only 1,500 light-years away from Earth.
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10-16-2015, 08:30 PM
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Re: Drive by science
I would think you could easily rule out a Dyson Sphere seeing as a whole sphere would completely obscure the light/energy source.
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10-16-2015, 08:52 PM
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Re: Drive by science
Perhaps an incomplete or derelict ancient Dyson sphere?
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10-16-2015, 10:28 PM
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Re: Drive by science
Some kind of Dyso sphere or Dy on sphere, perhaps.
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10-16-2015, 10:43 PM
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Re: Drive by science
Or perhaps just a Dyson Swarm.
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10-16-2015, 10:56 PM
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Re: Drive by science
It's a Type II civilisation being attacked by another one.
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10-16-2015, 11:04 PM
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Re: Drive by science
Possible famous last words: "They'll never take the Sphere, Sire, it's impregnable, invincible."
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10-16-2015, 11:11 PM
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Re: Drive by science
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Ringworld!
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10-16-2015, 11:56 PM
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Re: Drive by science
Could be Galactus.
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10-17-2015, 03:41 AM
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Re: Drive by science
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I would think you could easily rule out a Dyson Sphere seeing as a whole sphere would completely obscure the light/energy source.
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Well noborty can just complete a Dyson sphere overnight, ya know.
It takes time. The vacuum of space and so forth...
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10-17-2015, 12:47 PM
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Re: Drive by science
I see what you did there ... vacuum of space ...
Back on topic, are you suggesting that this signal indicates a nearly-complete Dyson sphere? Soon to be fully operational?
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10-17-2015, 02:15 PM
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Re: Drive by science
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I see what you did there ... vacuum of space ...
Back on topic, are you suggesting that this signal indicates a nearly-complete Dyson sphere? Soon to be fully operational?
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It would be really srsly cool if it did, but it's probably just some other mundane space stuff that we haven't puzzled out yet. Whatever it is, it's big! A 20% occlusion is yuge, right? It's got to be something something mundane arranged in dramatic way (unless it's something someborty maded out there ).
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10-27-2015, 12:02 AM
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I read some of your foolish scree, then just skimmed the rest.
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10-27-2015, 01:01 PM
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Re: Drive by science
We need this smilie - ::::(
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10-27-2015, 05:05 PM
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Jin, Gi, Rei, Ko, Chi, Shin, Tei
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Re: Drive by science
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I've definitely had days like that.
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10-27-2015, 05:13 PM
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Re: Drive by science
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And it leaves it on such a cliffhanger of an ending.
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10-28-2015, 01:40 AM
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A fellow sophisticate
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Re: Drive by science
Imagine waiting over 50 years for it to happen, and then you die before it does.
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11-07-2015, 04:18 AM
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Re: Drive by science
EM Drive is reportedly still producing thrust after another round of NASA testing - ScienceAlert
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You can't explain that. Nobody can explain it.
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