A revolution in thought

[ChuckF]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

I hope not Chuck, but it appears that way.

Yeah thedoc is a shitposter.

I'm really sad about this.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Vivisectus

Ah so in Lessans world, the Goyim wear the stars in stead of the jews!

I think they are being moved out of office, rather than put in camps. Although a point can be made that it would be better all round if we put all lawyers in camps.

Hey that means we get Chuck coming AND going!

Why are you so angry? This anger is getting in the way.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by ChuckF

Yeah thedoc is a shitposter.

Is that it? Just a copy of what I wrote? Stop it Chuck because I know you have more to offer than that.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

That's really stretching the metaphor.

Not really.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by thedoc

He also said that people would join the new society 'of their own free will', which would imply that if someone didn't want to be a part of it they could 'Opt. out', but that does leave the problem of 'where do they live'.

What are you talking about doc? They will live where they always have lived. You are making this whole out of science fiction. It's crazy.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Henry Quirk

“What's the incentive? The possibility that this is a genuine discovery that can accomplish what it claims it can.”

Insufficient bait. As I say, '…since MY life seems to be moving along nicely without the 'wisdom' of Lessans and Rafael to buoy me: I can only assume that what they (you) have to offer is not worth the effort.'

Henry, please stick around. I believe you are capable of understanding this knowledge from what I know about you. I can't make you stay, but I think you would get a lot out of this thread, for however long it lasts.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Vivisectus

Also it doesn't add up. The Laws of Nature are distinctly anthropomorphic in this book - there is a design especially for human beings in a cosmos that is bigger than any of us can possibly imagine. That is basically stating that there IS a personal god - if there wasn't, there would not be a system there to make sure that just our lives are more pleasant, as the book seems to suggest.

Wrong Vivisectus. It doesn't suggest a system to make humans comfortable. I don't get you sometimes. I love animals as much as humans because of this discovery. You are so off in your interpretation, I really am at a loss where to begin to show you how wrong you are. I may never succeed.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by thedoc

There is another problem, Lessans says that people will take an examination to prove that they understand the rules and conditions of the new society to be a part of it. What happens if someone takes the exam, answers all the questions correctly but doesn't actually believe the principles. They could then take advantage of the system without fear of reprisal, they could have all the benefits with none of the responsability. I think I know a few people who could do that.

If they didn't understand the principles, but faked it somehow, we would know immediately if they took advantage of their guarantee. Would that mean they would punished in some way? Of course not. That would be the antithesis of the two-sided equation which states that I can no longer hurt you back for what you did to hurt me, because now we know you couldn't help yourself, that what you did to hurt me was beyond your control. I think this is what you're having a hard time with.

[Henry Quirk]

“Henry Henry Henry, where did you go?”

I had, and have, other, more important, things to do...I don’t live on-line.

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“you were the last vestige of possibility here”

HA!

I think perhaps you’ve misread what I’ve posted in this, and other, threads.

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“Maybe you will have something challenging, or enlightening to add to the conversation.’

Unlikely: I haven’t read the book and won’t...no compelling reason or inducement has been offered for me to invest myself that way.

Bottom line: the book is a self-help manual…I don’t need help…so: why read it?

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“I believe you are capable of understanding this knowledge from what I know about you.”

That may be the case, but -- again -- I’m not devoting myself to 500 pages of poor writing, and, you’re unwilling still to offer up a concise abstract of the work.

Stalemate.

*shrug*

[Vivisectus]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Why are you so angry? This anger is getting in the way.

I am not angry in the slightest. Flabbergasted, amazed and morbidly fascinated... also slightly guilty, because I suspect that you feel that if you admitted even the smallest fault in this work you would be betraying your father. But certainly not angry. What do I have to be angry about?

[Doctor X]

Not really sorry to make peacegirl cry.

--J.D.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Whether or not you see this truth, this is a tribute to Lessans who will one day be honored with stripes.

No I think they changed from black and white stripes to solid orange now.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Doc dear, You are ruining it for me and for Lessans .

But lo and behold, the group stands together come near or come far.

I do my best as the 'gate keeper of the truth', Thankyou.

But this group tends to think for themselves, and stand apart, - far apart.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by Doctor X

Not really sorry to make peacegirl cry.

--J.D.

You're just an old meanie.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Henry Henry Henry, where did you go?

Originally Posted by Henry

I had, and have, other, more important, things to do...I don’t live on-line.

“you were the last vestige of possibility here”

Originally Posted by Henry

I think perhaps you’ve misread what I’ve posted in this, and other, threads.

I don't think I misread what you wrote, but I can't say for sure.

Originally Posted by peacegirl

“Maybe you will have something challenging, or enlightening to add to the conversation.’

Originally Posted by Henry

Unlikely: I haven’t read the book and won’t...no compelling reason or inducement has been offered for me to invest myself that way.

You can't say I didn't try.

Originally Posted by Henry

Bottom line: the book is a self-help manual…I don’t need help…so: why read it?

Because it may be enlightening, but I can't guarantee it.

I believe you are capable of understanding this knowledge from your previous posts.

Originally Posted by Henry

That may be the case, but -- again -- I’m not devoting myself to 500 pages of poor writing, and, you’re unwilling still to offer up a concise abstract of the work.

Stalemate.

*shrug*

I've tried, and it doesn't work. So I hope you are willing to read the book in its entirety, without chopping it up into parts. If you can't do that, please don't read it. It won't be worth your time, or mine.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

If they didn't understand the principles, but faked it somehow, we would know immediately if they took advantage of their guarantee. Would that mean they would punished in some way? Of course not. That would be the antithesis of the two-sided equation which states that I can no longer hurt you back for what you did to hurt me, because now we know you couldn't help yourself, that what you did to hurt me was beyond your control. I think this is what you're having a hard time with.

What you are having a hard time with is that people could understand the principles and still not believe them, but fake the examination. The other thing you do not understand is that peoples actions are not beyond their control but are within their control and intent. If I hurt you it is within my control and because I want to.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Vivisectus

I am not angry in the slightest. Flabbergasted, amazed and morbidly fascinated... also slightly guilty, because I suspect that you feel that if you admitted even the smallest fault in this work you would be betraying your father. But certainly not angry. What do I have to be angry about?

No, you have it all wrong. My father would have never thought I betrayed him. He would have never ever questioned me. He loved me unconditionally, whether I believed in these principles or not.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by thedoc

What you are having a hard time with is that people could understand the principles and still not believe them, but fake the examination. The other thing you do not understand is that peoples actions are not beyond their control but are within their control and intent. If I hurt you it is within my control and because I want to.

Of course you can fake the examination. You could live like a king and no one would say a word, even though you are stealing from them. Do it if you can. We would have to turn the other cheek, although we are hurt by your actions. Enjoy, live it up, take what doesn't belong to you. No one is going to stop you, don't you get it?

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Of course you can fake the examination. You could live like a king and no one would say a word, even though you are stealing from them. Do it if you can. We would have to turn the other cheek, although we are hurt by your actions. Enjoy, live it up, take what doesn't belong to you. No one is going to stop you, don't you get it?

Sounds good to me, when do we start, or should I say when do you start?

[thedoc]

[quote peasegirl]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

[quote"peacegirl"]“Henry Henry Henry, where did you go?”

Originally Posted by Henry

I had, and have, other, more important, things to do...I don’t live on-line.

“you were the last vestige of possibility here”
[/QUOTE]


You're pinning your last hopes on Henry? L.O.L. or [quote Henry].

Henry, What do you think?

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by thedoc

Sounds good to me, when do we start, or should I say when do you start?

When do I start? What the *$%^* does that mean doc?

[peacegirl]

peacegirl" Henry Henry Henry, where did you go?”

Henry: I had, and have, other, more important, things to do...I don’t live on-line.

peacegirl: you were the last vestige of possibility here”.

thedoc: You're pinning your last hopes on Henry? L.O.L.

peacegirl: Sort of. I have an interesting story to share when I come back.

[peacegirl]

[quote=thedoc;959503][quote peasegirl]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

[quote"peacegirl"]“Henry Henry Henry, where did you go?”

Originally Posted by Henry

I had, and have, other, more important, things to do...I don’t live on-line.

Originally Posted by thedoc

you were the last vestige of possibility here”

You're pinning your last hopes on Henry? L.O.L.

Henry, What do you think?

[davidm]

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by davidm

We can always say it's belated.