As is often the case, I'm reading along, and something I see starts some insidious thought process, which isn't really going to fit in the conversation that I am reading. At all. Then the next day I see I quoted it, but did not respond, and rather than try to shoehorn into the discussion, I start a branched topic. Which is either really awesome or it goes nowhere. Either way is fine with me. This is entertainment, enjoyment, not a job, or a passion. This topic started in my mind Friday Nov 16 2023, around 11:30 pm EST
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Originally Posted by ceptimus
It's just trying to get people to realize what omniscience really means.
To just have a record of "all things", which would mean from the start of it all, would require as much structure and energy as there is in the existing Universe. To just store such an impossible amount of information. (if all things is infinite, that is so much worse)
It would actually be a magnitude more than the energy that exists, because the relationship between every last thing, be it Galaxies or quarks, is part of "knowing" all things, and the amount of information involved in that is large, even if you used quarks to store it, it's more than all the quarks that exist. And that's just the information storage. Perception and understanding of everything would require even more energy.
This leaves aside the fact that it's all changing at every moment, and that information also has to be stored somehow. It's an impossibility. So being "omniscient" is a made up super power. That can't exist.
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Originally Posted by ceptimus
You can have an omniscient God, or you can have free will, but you can't have both.
Quite apart from the reality that there is no God, much less one with an impossible superpower, free will is also a notion of a superpower that does not exist. By it's own definition.
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free will, in philosophy and science, the supposed power or capacity of humans to make decisions or perform actions independently of any prior event or state of the universe.
This ends what is most likely just a novel idea, which may or may not be argued about, with great effort, or ignored, or rejected without any thought or effort. All of those responses are perfect. And so are you.
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Some Theists argue that their God exists outside the universe that we perceive, so the lack of enough space/energy/stuff inside the universe to store all the information/knowledge may not be enough to rule out omniscience.
I still think that any entity that has omniscient knowledge about any universe (by whatever magical means) still rules out the possibility of free will inside that universe.
For the record, I don't believe in omniscience, and I don't believe in free will either.
For the record, I don't believe in omniscience, and I don't believe in free will either.
This makes you intelligent and reasonable, in my eyes. At least when it comes to mythical super powers
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For the record, I don't believe in omniscience, and I don't believe in free will either.
This makes you intelligent and reasonable, in my eyes. At least when it comes to mythical super powers
We all have free will.
I wouldn't mind a little omniscience, though.
Then, at least I would know how badly I was about to fuck things up the next time I exercise my Free Will. It might cut down in the 'oops' factor a tad.
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I wouldn't mind a little omniscience, though.
Then, at least I would know how badly I was about to fuck things up the next time I exercise my Free Will. It might cut down in the 'oops' factor a tad.
Yeah. In my experience, running something by other people you trust and respect works as well.
I'm reminded of the old bible stuff
"They are blind guides leading the blind, and if one blind person guides another, they will both fall into a ditch.”, which is not the one I was looking for. It's something about not traveling alone.
For all I know it's from Dune
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Super powers? You can't have either one
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