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07-02-2016, 04:02 PM
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Re: News Miscellany
There is also the fact that they are more likely to identify as Chinese, or Korean or whatever rather than by the continent they're from. They're not Murricans, after all.
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07-02-2016, 04:56 PM
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Re: News Miscellany
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Why is using "oriental" now considered offensive?
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One time, a Chinese person asked me this question really loudly in the very quiet pho place where there are never any other gwai los.
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07-02-2016, 08:24 PM
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A fellow sophisticate
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Re: News Miscellany
Oriental is just Spanish for Eastern. ¿Por qué es esto un problema?
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07-02-2016, 08:44 PM
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Re: News Miscellany
Bloody foreigners, coming here and taking our competition wins.
Russian duo win wife carrying race
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07-02-2016, 08:58 PM
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Re: News Miscellany
Cultural appropriation!
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07-02-2016, 11:31 PM
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Re: News Miscellany
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It's a bit more defined. 'Oriental' can refer to anyone from Egypt, to Iran, to India, to China, to Japan, to the Philippines, etc. Asian has less historical connotation, not being used nearly as much as a derogatory, or in a colonial 'exotic' sense. It's still not as good as just 'country of origin' but isn't as bad as Oriental.
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The non-specificity of "Asian" has annoyed me for some time, and it differs in connotation from place to place. Here in NZ people mostly use the term for eastern Asian ancestry, i.e. China, Korea, Japan. When I arrived in Britain it took me a while to realise that people were often referring to Indian sub-continent ancestry with the term.
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07-02-2016, 11:56 PM
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Re: News Miscellany
Yeah, I noticed that too. When the British say Asian they mean almost exclusively Pakistani/Indian/Bangladeshi/Sri Lankan.
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07-02-2016, 11:59 PM
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Fishy mokey
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Re: News Miscellany
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Oriental is just Spanish for Eastern. ¿Por qué es esto un problema?
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Negro is Spanish for black but it has taken on some baggage in English, same there.
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07-03-2016, 12:11 AM
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Re: News Miscellany
Most of these terms just start out as descriptive but become offensive over time - and then we need new ones. Even the generic word foreigner is now perceived as offensive by some, so we will soon need a different word for that.
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07-03-2016, 11:27 AM
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Re: News Miscellany
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Oriental is just Spanish for Eastern. ¿Por qué es esto un problema?
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Negro is Spanish for black but it has taken on some baggage in English, same there.
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Just as "trump" is an English word for fart, but has now taken on unpleasant connotations due to American current affairs.
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07-05-2016, 12:12 AM
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07-06-2016, 12:34 AM
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Re: News Miscellany
A friend I was going to be staying with in England warned me ahead of time about Asian meaning strictly Indian or Pakistani there. He said Oriental was the preferred term for Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, etc. He felt it necessary to warn me because of my habit of watching Japanese and Hong Kong films and talking about ogling 'cute Asian boys'. He also made a point of taking me to their local Chinese restaurant with the cute waiter. He is an awesome friend.
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07-15-2016, 09:32 PM
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07-15-2016, 10:58 PM
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Re: News Miscellany
Now Erdogan is calling for his followers to take to the streets. This could get very far out of hand that way.
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07-15-2016, 11:04 PM
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Re: News Miscellany
When Portugal joined there was a military government in place. The Carnation Revolution as the Portuguese call it, restored democracy. Or brought democracy to Portugal, not sure if they ever had it before.
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07-16-2016, 02:06 AM
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07-16-2016, 07:23 AM
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Re: News Miscellany
Where's SOLZHENITSOF when we need him?
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07-20-2016, 03:45 AM
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07-21-2016, 01:34 PM
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Re: News Miscellany
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Yeah, I noticed that too. When the British say Asian they mean almost exclusively Pakistani/Indian/Bangladeshi/Sri Lankan.
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That's really interesting, I did not know that.
I only use 'Asian' as a substitute for Chinese/Korean/Japanese/Vietnamese, etc. and only when I don't know the specific origin or I mean to generalize; Like I refer to pho as "Vietnamese food" but "I love Asian food". And although I do love Indian food (which is a generalization itself, I realize) I wouldn't even think of it as "Asian food".
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07-21-2016, 01:48 PM
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Fishy mokey
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Re: News Miscellany
I don't think they call Indian food Asian food though. I've never heard that.
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07-30-2016, 03:36 AM
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Re: News Miscellany
Maine voters will be voting on IVR. Ranked Choice Voting: Maine Initiative Would Change Ballots
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In November, Maine voters will decide whether they want to become the first state in the U.S. to implement ranked-choice voting. If a ballot initiative is approved, future Maine voters in primaries and general elections will be allowed to rank their choices for governor, Congress and statehouse races instead of voting for just one. If no one gets a majority in a race, the candidate who came in last is eliminated and the second choices of their voters are redistributed, in much the same way that a runoff election works. That process continues through multiple rounds until a single candidate reaches a majority.
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07-30-2016, 04:42 AM
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Re: News Miscellany
IRV doesn't actually make third-parties viable, and it results in a higher percentage of spoiled ballots.
But I guess if Green Party types think it will help them, go right ahead. They will get a higher percentage of the vote, but no higher chance of winning. It's mostly an improvement over plurality voting though.
(Approval voting is a better system - you can't spoil your ballot, and third-parties have a greater chance of being able to win, rather than merely no longer playing spoiler to similar parties.)
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07-30-2016, 06:14 AM
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07-30-2016, 06:22 AM
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