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10-05-2013, 08:30 PM
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A fellow sophisticate
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Re: Drive by science
...find and kill John Connor.
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10-08-2013, 12:06 AM
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Projecting my phallogos with long, hard diction
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Re: Drive by science
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I know someone who has that.
She was actually a vegetarian for a while. She moved back to NC a couple years ago, and was finally able to have NC pulled pork barbecue again... only to discover soon after that she was now allergic to it.
But I guess she still eats chicken, so she's not forced to be completely vegetarian.
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10-10-2013, 03:54 PM
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Vaginally-privileged sociopathic cultist
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Re: Drive by science
What's in the vials? Is it safe to do this at home?
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10-10-2013, 04:14 PM
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I said it, so I feel it, dick
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Re: Drive by science
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10-15-2013, 01:21 PM
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I said it, so I feel it, dick
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Re: Drive by science
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12-03-2013, 05:54 PM
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A Very Gentle Bort
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Re: Drive by science
A great analogy about the effects of gravity and stuff.
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12-03-2013, 06:11 PM
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the internet says I'm right
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Re: Drive by science
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12-03-2013, 07:33 PM
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Now in six dimensions!
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Re: Drive by science
I actually don't like the rubber sheet analogy; it makes people have these ideas about spacetime being athing that gets deformed. Which it could be, but there's zero reason to think so.
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12-04-2013, 01:39 AM
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A Very Gentle Bort
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Re: Drive by science
MOTHER FUCKIN SCIENTISTES LYIN AND GETTIN ME PISSED.
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12-04-2013, 02:08 AM
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I'm Deplorable.
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Re: Drive by science
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Originally Posted by BrotherMan
A great analogy about the effects of gravity and stuff.
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This only illustrates how things appear to act in a gravity field, it doesn't explain why things act that way, what causes it, or what the reality really is.
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12-04-2013, 10:27 AM
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Solipsist
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Re: Drive by science
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Originally Posted by Dragar
I actually don't like the rubber sheet analogy; it makes people have these ideas about spacetime being athing that gets deformed. Which it could be, but there's zero reason to think so.
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We need a better analogy.
Possibly one that doesn't start with something being somewhere in something else. It seems easy enough to make analogies for time that don't assume time, just by thinking of it as a space dimension. But what kind of analogy could you create for space that doesn't involve ... space?
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12-04-2013, 05:09 PM
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the internet says I'm right
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Re: Drive by science
I like to think of it like kind of adjustments you have to make for navigation even here on Earth - paths that seems straight are actually curved over long distances. Likewise, gravity 'bends' locally straight paths, so for example the Moon isn't held near the Earth by some force or tether, it's following the path it would normally follow given its velocity, etc. It's the path that's bent.
That's how I see it in my head, anyway.
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12-04-2013, 05:43 PM
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Stoic Derelict... The cup is empty
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Re: Drive by science
I conceive of it as much like a magnetic field, except it isn't polar and doesn't attract on ferrous materials or other magnetic fields, but rather mass. Otherwise, the fields would seem very similar to me. It's easier for me to imagine it as a volume with puckers and "arms" than as a deformed plane. I just imagine bi-directional field lines in holographic presentation.
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12-04-2013, 07:31 PM
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Re: Drive by science
It's not all that good an analogy, but it's slightly helpful to consider how a two dimensional surface which we regard as flat (or at least 'almost flat') displays strange 'non-flat' properties.
Imagine the Earth without any mountains or oceans so that the surface is as flat as possible. Now any two straight lines you draw on the surface - even ones which you try to draw parallel to each other - will cross at two places. Think of lines of longitude on the surface of the Earth which all meet at the poles. Some people, when you tell them this, point out that lines of latitude do not cross - but that is because all of them, except the equator, are not straight lines - they are curves.
ETA: or what Kael said, except I waffled more.
Because we are unable to imagine in four dimensions (and we're not even that good at imagining in three dimensions) it's pretty near impossible, as far as I know, to get an intuitive grasp of how space time is distorted by mass.
I think the best we can do is say that with masses up to that of a typical star, and velocities that are typical for stars and planets, then the curvature of space time is just enough to make things move along the same paths they would using Newton's concepts of gravitational force - and remember that with much larger masses or much higher speeds then things become weirder and we need more complex mathematics to model the weirdness.
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12-05-2013, 08:59 PM
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I read some of your foolish scree, then just skimmed the rest.
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Re: Drive by science
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Originally Posted by Dragar
I actually don't like the rubber sheet analogy; it makes people have these ideas about spacetime being athing that gets deformed. Which it could be, but there's zero reason to think so.
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So when people talk about the squashing and stretching of spacetime, what's the other option besides distorting spacetime?
Along the lines of that, when spacetime expands causing light to 'cool' down as seen in the CMB, where does the energy from that light go? (or is this one of those weird reference frame things).
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12-05-2013, 09:44 PM
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Forum Killer
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Re: Drive by science
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Originally Posted by SR71
I conceive of it as much like a magnetic field, except it isn't polar and doesn't attract on ferrous materials or other magnetic fields, but rather mass.
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It's a pretty good analogy if you don't consider relativity, the newtonian equations are very close.
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12-05-2013, 10:33 PM
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Now in six dimensions!
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Re: Drive by science
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Originally Posted by Ari
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Originally Posted by Dragar
I actually don't like the rubber sheet analogy; it makes people have these ideas about spacetime being athing that gets deformed. Which it could be, but there's zero reason to think so.
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So when people talk about the squashing and stretching of spacetime, what's the other option besides distorting spacetime?
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Distances between objects get longer or shorter.
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Along the lines of that, when spacetime expands causing light to 'cool' down as seen in the CMB, where does the energy from that light go? (or is this one of those weird reference frame things).
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Energy is not conserved in general relativity.
Remember: energy is the quantity conserved because the laws of physics do not change with time. But time in general relativity is just a coordinate - it has no real meaning. So what happens to the conservation laws...?
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12-06-2013, 06:03 AM
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Re: Drive by science
And now from the world of medicine:
Cure 85% of hepatitis C with an oral pill once a day for 3 months?
I like the sound of that treatment. I hope the results are near what they think they are going to be.
Expected Soon For New, Gentler Cure For Hepatitis-C : Shots - Health News : NPR
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12-06-2013, 07:56 AM
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Re: Drive by science
That would be awesome. Interferon is some nasty stuff by all accounts.
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12-06-2013, 07:16 PM
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Re: Drive by science
Plus it only works for one of the 4 types of Hepatitis C viruses. Interferon makes you feel like you have a cold flu the entire time you are taking it. Plus here in the US, it is hideously expensive.
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12-09-2013, 06:56 PM
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Re: Drive by science
Dark Matter May have been Spotted -- with particle masses similar to what's expected of the hypothetical 'neutralino' particle.
The results are three sigma, meaning it's either 99.8% likely what they expected instead of noise, or something they completely didn't expect. Unfortunately, the odds of that are hard to gauge...
This is exciting. If dark matter is definitively, directly observably real, that removes a lot of 'fudge factor' from our cosmological models. Known values could be substituted for hypothetical ones.
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12-09-2013, 07:26 PM
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Re: Drive by science
Sadly, I am pretty sure the latest results contradict the CDMS experiments.
The experiments are really hard, and full of noise and unknown parameters.
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12-09-2013, 07:29 PM
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Re: Drive by science
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12-09-2013, 08:40 PM
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Solipsist
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Re: Drive by science
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Sadly, I am pretty sure the latest results contradict the CDMS experiments.
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You've linked to the whole blog; the latest entry is about Julian Barnes and religion. Probably not the post you meant to link to.
Was it this one? Scientists Confirm Existence of Moon | Sean Carroll
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The experiments are really hard, and full of noise and unknown parameters.
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... signifying nothing.
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12-09-2013, 09:44 PM
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Re: Drive by science
Whoops, I meant this entry!
(Sean Carroll is a pretty big name in cosmology, and right now works at Caltech. He has plenty of other opinions that are less backed by his qualifications, but are usually pretty rational. His posts also contain a lot of links to papers or blogs of other scientists in the field - well worth following up. )
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