A revolution in thought

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

And what if your unvaccinated child contracted a disease and infected an infant...and that infant was one of the unlucky ones that died from the disease. Who would feel the guilt in that instance?

There is one difference between the two and one difference only. Freedom of choice. For some outside entity to be able to excuse the harm they may cause after forced vaccination destroys a family is a far cry from a mother who is doing everything she can to make the best choice for her child.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Happy that parents have a choice*, of course. Nobody is actually forced to vaccinate their children, you know, it is simply a requirement for being in certain public institutions.

If parents do not want to do vaccinate their kids they can 1) get an exemption to allow their unvaccinated kids to attend public school or 2) not put their kids in public school at all. They are free to homeschool or private school...but if they are going to utilize the government run educational system, they have to abide by the rules of that system.

Yea, unfortunately government rules just about everything in society, so what choice do we really have if we're going to be functioning members of society?

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For those who do not want to give their child an injection, the government should not be able to use force. It is so unamerican to put a parent in jail for not agreeing with government guidelines

Originally Posted by LadyShea

They don't use force, they only compel vaccinations if you want to use their education services. As has been explained to you multiple times. Who do you think has been jailed for failure to vaccinate?

*And happy that the choice availability has led to multiple outbreaks of diseases.

I guess you didn't read the link I posted. There are vaccinated kids who also pose a risk because they are not fully protected, and there are non-vaccinated kids who have developed an immunity, so to blame the non-vaccinated kids for these outbreaks is misguided.

[Stephen Maturin]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

There is one difference between the two and one difference only. Freedom of choice.

Which, according to you, is an "illusion."

Originally Posted by peacegirl

For some outside entity to be able to excuse the harm they may cause after forced vaccination destroys a family is a far cry from a mother who is doing everything she can to make the best choice for her child.

For a mother to be able to excuse the harm she may cause by claiming that she was simply making what she considered the best choice for her child is a far cry from the people, through their elected representatives, acting in a way that furthers the greatest good for the greatest number.

Dang, this unsupported pontification stuff is fun!

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

And what of the parents who children have died or been disabled from whooping cough, measles, and meningitis because of a high rate of non vaccinated people in their communities? Herd immunity is the only protection for those too young to vaccinate, or those with compromised immune systems.

There is also no amount of money that can make up for a death due to disease. The baby in the article died of whooping cough. She was too young to be vaxed and she contracted it in her community. There have always been many more deaths due to these diseases than there have been due to vaccination reactions.

Additionally, millions of people are not vaccinating their kids, they are getting exemptions and/or delaying them, so it is mostly voluntary now. This has led to outbreaks and resurgence of these once almost eradicated diseases. So you got your wish....aren't you happy?

These are all things the parent should consider and then make an informed choice. There are babies who do not do well with the pertussis vaccine, and whether the parents want to take the risk should be their right. I'm not saying all vaccines are bad, but I certainly wouldn't want to be responsible for telling a parent what to do, for if something went wrong I would have no way of justifying my recommendation. I posted this link before.

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[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

You didn't watch the first movie as suggested, which is the evidence of 9/11 Trutherism and Anti-Semitism, by way of the well known and venerable Jewish Financial Conspiracy Theory being supported.

So, it seems you are the uninformed one, since you haven't investigated Zeitgeist at all, and those you claim were uniformed are, in fact, informed as they have investigated.

I'm still in the process of reading this, but it's interesting to note that the visionary of The Venus Project, Jacque Fresco, is Jewish.

http://links.org.au/node/2567

[Stephen Maturin]

Yes, and Zeitgeist and the Venus Project are no longer affiliated.

[naturalist.atheist]

Originally Posted by thedoc

Unfortunately it is often the morons who have the robust physical makeup, even though they lack in the mental prowess, that will survive, and it is the more delicate intellectual individuals who will succumb to the disease.

So I take it that you have the more robust physical makeup.

[davidm]

Hey, dumb ass -- that would be you, peacegirl -- here's a picture of a child with smallpox, circa 1973 in Bangladesh. Capice, lardhead?



Smallpox has been eradicated from the world via vaccination. Got that, stupid?

But of course, Daddy Deadhead was against vaccination and so are you! Of course!

I noticed one of the links you posted was to an autism Web site. So you buy the discredited claim that vaccinations cause autism? Of course you do! After all, you think that if God turned on the sun at noon, people on earth would see it immediately, but not see their neighbors for eight and a half minutes.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by naturalist.atheist

So I take it that you have the more robust physical makeup.

Yea, ain't it great, we got sumphin in comon.

[LadyShea]

All states have some form of vax exemption, some have several forms. All states have private schools, some of which may not require vaccinations. Homeschooling is legal to some degree in all states. Choices.

[Stephen Maturin]

Originally Posted by davidm

But of course, Daddy Deadhead was against vaccination and so are you! Of course!

Remember Seymour's charming story about how his shitheaded asshole of a mother had a doctor make a house call under false pretenses, told the doctor a bunch of lies, then dumped out the prescribed medication to teach Li'l Seymour about the evils of modern medicine?

And how peacegirl reacted to our alarm about the story by claiming that, golly gee, maybe it didn't happen at all; maybe Seymour just yanked the story from his mighty ass "to make a point"?

Good times, eh?

One can't help but wonder if anyone in need of medical attention suffered a serious injury or even died because of Granny Gasbag's little stunt. We'll never know, seeing as how Granny chose to waste the physician's time without regard to the consequences.

One thing is certain, though: Granny Gasbag didn't give a flying fuck about whether her idiotic stunt might cause serious harm. Cuz that's how sociopaths roll.

The diseased, fraudulent fruit never falls far from the diseased, fraudulent tree.

[peacegirl]

To a new parent this information would be worrisome.

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[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

All states have some form of vax exemption, some have several forms. All states have private schools, some of which may not require vaccinations. Homeschooling is legal to some degree in all states. Choices.

Why do parents have to give the government their reasons for why they don't want to vaccinate? This is not the government's business. That means that if they don't meet the exemption requirements, they are still coerced. I guess if they want it badly enough, parents will find a way.

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[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by davidm

Hey, dumb ass -- that would be you, peacegirl -- here's a picture of a child with smallpox, circa 1973 in Bangladesh. Capice, lardhead?



Smallpox has been eradicated from the world via vaccination. Got that, stupid?

But of course, Daddy Deadhead was against vaccination and so are you! Of course!

I noticed one of the links you posted was to an autism Web site. So you buy the discredited claim that vaccinations cause autism? Of course you do! After all, you think that if God turned on the sun at noon, people on earth would see it immediately, but not see their neighbors for eight and a half minutes.

Actually my father never discussed vaccines with me. This part was all mine. I also never said all vaccines were bad. I said parents should be able to make this decision, not the government.

[davidm]

Originally Posted by Stephen Maturin

Remember Seymour's charming story about how his shitheaded asshole of a mother had a doctor make a house call under false pretenses, told the doctor a bunch of lies, then dumped out the prescribed medication to teach Li'l Seymour about the evils of modern medicine?

And how peacegirl reacted to our alarm about the story by claiming that, golly gee, maybe it didn't happen at all; maybe Seymour just yanked the story from his mighty ass "to make a point"?

Good times, eh?

One can't help but wonder if anyone in need of medical attention suffered a serious injury or even died because of Granny Gasbag's little stunt. We'll never know, seeing as how Granny chose to waste the physician's time without regard to the consequences.

One thing is certain, though: Granny Gasbag didn't give a flying fuck about whether her idiotic stunt might cause serious harm. Cuz that's how sociopaths roll.

The diseased, fraudulent fruit never falls far from the diseased, fraudulent tree.

Holy shit! How time flies! That was purt near two and a half years ago! And here's what the dumb ass said a few posts down, addressed to YOU, Maturin:

Originally Posted by dumb ass

You still win the prize for being the biggest son of a bitch I've ever encountered. Good bye. You're not worth discussing this book with. What was I thinking?

And yet, here she still is!

Hey, peacegirl, remember how nearly seven years ago, you said at iidb that Lessans' book was being published "even as we speak"?

Also, why does NASA use delayed-time seeing calculations to send spacecraft to Mars, when if Lessans were right, those calculations would cause every single craft to miss Mars by thousands of miles?

Do you remember the thread I started on this topic at the forum occupied by astronomers that you admitted you refused to read? Want me to find that thread for you again, and link you to it?

[davidm]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Actually my father never discussed vaccines with me. This part was all mine. I also never said all vaccines were bad. I said parents should be able to make this decision, not the government.

He opposes vaccines in his book. Remember?

Oh, well, prolly not! Brain as Swiss cheese and so on!

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by Stephen Maturin

Remember Seymour's charming story about how his shitheaded asshole of a mother had a doctor make a house call under false pretenses, told the doctor a bunch of lies, then dumped out the prescribed medication to teach Li'l Seymour about the evils of modern medicine?

And how peacegirl reacted to our alarm about the story by claiming that, golly gee, maybe it didn't happen at all; maybe Seymour just yanked the story from his mighty ass "to make a point"?

Good times, eh?

One can't help but wonder if anyone in need of medical attention suffered a serious injury or even died because of Granny Gasbag's little stunt. We'll never know, seeing as how Granny chose to waste the physician's time without regard to the consequences.

One thing is certain, though: Granny Gasbag didn't give a flying fuck about whether her idiotic stunt might cause serious harm. Cuz that's how sociopaths roll.

The diseased, fraudulent fruit never falls far from the diseased, fraudulent tree.

Do you really believe that Granny would pour good liquor down the drain, sounds fake to me.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by davidm

Holy shit! How time flies! That was purt near two and a half years ago! And here's what the dumb ass said a few posts down, addressed to YOU, Maturin:

And yet, here she still is!

Hey, peacegirl, remember how nearly seven years ago, you said at iidb that Lessans' book was being published "even as we speak"?

Also, why does NASA use delayed-time seeing calculations to send spacecraft to Mars, when if Lessans were right, those calculations would cause every single craft to miss Mars by thousands of miles?

Do you remember the thread I started on this topic at the forum occupied by astronomers that you admitted you refused to read? Want me to find that thread for you again, and link you to it?

I read the thread David, and there was nothing new said. They told you to stop talking to me if it bothers you so much. As far as the calculations, there is no proof that the space/time delay has any major consequence in trajectory or hitting the target. If there was, they would talk about it more, but they don't. I can't find anything other than that one page that LadyShea found which no one understood, including you.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by davidm

He opposes vaccines in his book. Remember?

Oh, well, prolly not! Brain as Swiss cheese and so on!

I added those examples. They were mine, and what I said is true. In the new world vaccines will not be mandatory because no doctor or government agency will ever take the responsibility of telling someone what to inject in their children for fear something could go wrong, for which they would be excused. That does not mean people won't give their children vaccines if they believe the benefits outweigh the risks. Right now, the vaccine schedule is so overloaded and so close together that you can't even compare it to the vaccine schedule given just a generation ago.

This is a warning. If you dare talk about my father in this disrespectful way, don't expect me to talk to you again. You will be on ignore just like Maturin. I can't stomach you either. I don't care if there is no one left to talk to, I will not take the abuse anymore.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

I can't find anything other than that one page that LadyShea found which no one understood, including you.

Peacegirl can't find it, so there isn't anything. But no-one understands it anyhow. It's beyond human understanding, even though NASA scientists figured it out and use it all the time.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

In the new world vaccines will not be mandatory because no doctor or government agency will ever take the responsibility of telling someone what to inject in their children for fear something could go wrong, for which they would be excused. That does not mean people won't give their children vaccines if they believe the benefits outweigh the risks. Right now, the vaccine schedule is so overloaded and so close together that you can't even compare it to the vaccine schedule given just a generation ago.

So in the New World there will be no vaccinations and everyone will die out in a generation. I think I'll opt out, getting shot is quicker that dying of some lingering disease.

[davidm]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

I read the thread David, and there was nothing new said. They told you to stop talking to me if it bothers you so much.

You do realize that when you lie, it can be checked by referring back to the source, right?

"They" said nothing of the kind. They expressed utter astonishment at your stupidity. One of them noted that because your father made these claims, it would probably be futile to disabuse you of your delusions, and suggested on those grounds alone that I stop trying to show you what was true. ALL of them expressed utter astonishment at the stupidity of the claim. Would you like me to copy and paste the entire thread here, to show what was actually said? I can do that, and will do it unless you retract your latest lie.

As far as the calculations, there is no proof that the space/time delay has any major consequence in trajectory or hitting the target. If there were, they would talk about it more, but they don't. I can't find anything other than that one page that LadyShea found which no one understood, including you.

I understood it perfectly. It can easily be shown, mathematically, that if we pretended that the actual location of Mars in the sky were the same as its apparent location, all Mars probes would miss their target by a wide margin.

Do you know who Phil Plait is? Want me to e-mail you father's claims to him?

Also, why don't you e-mail NASA and ask them about this? Want me to do it for you?

[Spacemonkey]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

I don't care if there is no one left to talk to, I will not take the abuse anymore.

Of course you will. It's what you come here for.

[Spacemonkey]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

As far as the calculations, there is no proof that the space/time delay has any major consequence in trajectory or hitting the target.

Of course there is. If Lessans were right, then adding a correction for light-speed delay would result in us missing the target because we would be aiming in the wrong place.

Originally Posted by peacegirl

If there was, they would talk about it more, but they don't.

Why would they be talking about it more? It is not a point that any sane person doubts.

[davidm]

Unfortunately, it appears that the BAUT forum has been swallowed up by another astronomy forum, and a search of their archives, using all the key words I can think of, does not yield the thread in question.

No problem! I will simply start another thread. Here is the proposed OP:

"On the Internet, someone claims that if God turned on the sun at noon, people on earth would see it immediately, but not be able to see their neighbors until eight and a half minutes had passed. What is your opinion of this claim?"

Want me to start that thread, peacegirl?

Oh, i know! It doesn't matter what people who have devoted their lives to understanding these subjects say! All that matters is the maundering of a seventh-grade dropout, an aluminum siding salesman and a pool hustler! Why? Because, well, he just made astute observations that, unfortunately, bear no relation to reality.