Diebold voting machines can be hacked by remote control

[The Man]

with just $10.50 in parts and an 8th-grade science education. Doing so would leave absolutely no trace of the manipulation behind.

We're fucked.

[erimir]

[The Lone Ranger]

Didn't the President of Diebold make a big deal about how he was "looking forward" to Bush winning in 2004?


I'd have to look it up, but I think it was The Nation which pointed out that there was very real evidence that Diebold basically handed the 2004 election to Bush. As I recall the article, they compared the results of exit polls to the officially-reported vote tallies on a county-by-county basis in some key states.

According to the article, in counties where the votes were recorded on paper ballots or were recorded by non-Diebold machines, discrepancies between the exit polls and the official tallies were small to nonexistent -- and when there was a discrepancy, about half the time it was in Bush's favor, and about half the time it was in Kerry's favor. Just as you'd expect.

But, according to the article, there were significant discrepancies between the exit polls and the official vote tallies in counties where the votes were recorded by Diebold machines. And the discrepancies were almost always in Bush's favor.

The article concluded that it was essentially a statistical impossibility that this could have been due to chance alone.


I distinctly remember that even NPR noted that if you went by the exit polls and ignored the official vote tallies, Kerry won Ohio, which would have given him the Presidency.

[Sauron]

What surprises me is that the Democrats haven't made Diebold's voting machines and the ease of hackery a rallying cry. I mean, this year has seen no end of angry white teabatters and politicians wanting to enforce voter ID, to positively identify the voter at the poll.

Where are the Democrats insisting non-machine counting, to positively identify the *votes* being cast? At the very least, if the Democrats have to give ground and grant voter ID, then they shouldn't do so without forcing a concession from the GOP that Diebold machine counting be dropped in favor of other kinds of machines, or even manual counting?

[ZEZOZE]

i miss the old kennedy days when voting was hacked by money and thugs.

[AynMisesLibertarian]

remember me of that hoax article about how "blue state" where smarter than "red state"(as average IQ)....guess what?that article was a hoax and you just see California(bankrupted by years of socialists tax&spend&tax again policies) vs Texas(the most economically sane state) as a proof

[Stormlight]

Where's that money you owe, dimwit?

[Sock Puppet]

Originally Posted by AynMisesLibertarian

remember me of that hoax article about how "blue state" where smarter than "red state"(as average IQ)....guess what?that article was a hoax and you just see California(bankrupted by years of socialists tax&spend&tax again policies) vs Texas(the most economically sane state) as a proof

Did you know that Texas' property taxes are much, MUCH higher than California's? Because California voted for an initiative that put a cap on property taxes? And Texas never did anything of the sort?

Of course you didn't. Because you're a fucking ignoramus, as well as being a fucking idiot.

[ImGod]

Originally Posted by Sauron

What surprises me is that the Democrats haven't made Diebold's voting machines and the ease of hackery a rallying cry. I mean, this year has seen no end of angry white teabatters and politicians wanting to enforce voter ID, to positively identify the voter at the poll.

Where are the Democrats insisting non-machine counting, to positively identify the *votes* being cast? At the very least, if the Democrats have to give ground and grant voter ID, then they shouldn't do so without forcing a concession from the GOP that Diebold machine counting be dropped in favor of other kinds of machines, or even manual counting?

No reason to now that they know how to hack into them. Write a sniping program to change the tally just before the votes are counted.

Someone may decide to finally look into the issue if Obama carries all 50 states and a bunch of Latinos get elected Sheriff in various AZ counties.

[Angakuk]

Arizona already has one hispanic sheriff (Tony Estrada - Santa Cruz County) and the state even had an hispanic governor once (Raul Castro 75-77). Isn't that enough to prove that there is no institutional prejudice in Arizona? Sheesh, what do you want, a revolution?

[Sauron]

Originally Posted by AynMisesLibertarian

remember me of that hoax article about how "blue state" where smarter than "red state"(as average IQ)....guess what?that article was a hoax and you just see California(bankrupted by years of socialists tax&spend&tax again policies) vs Texas(the most economically sane state) as a proof

More stupidity from a kid living in a basement.

When are you going to pay up on your bet?

[Sauron]

Originally Posted by Sock Puppet

Did you know that Texas' property taxes are much, MUCH higher than California's? Because California voted for an initiative that put a cap on property taxes? And Texas never did anything of the sort?

Of course you didn't. Because you're a fucking ignoramus, as well as being a fucking idiot.

Debt level really isn't the issue anyhow. The real issue is debt level as a percentage of total income.

Assume one State A has debt level X, and income level Y. But then another state B has twice the debt level. But if State B has four times the income that the first state has (i.e., 4Y), then State B will be in a better position than State A. Twice as well off, in fact. In spite of having double the debt level.

Per capita debt level, expressed as percentage of income, is the only metric that matters. And typically, AML has no idea what any of this means.

[Clutch Munny]

Originally Posted by AynMisesLibertarian

remember me of that hoax article about how "blue state" where smarter than "red state"(as average IQ)....guess what?that article was a hoax and you just see California(bankrupted by years of socialists tax&spend&tax again policies) vs Texas(the most economically sane state) as a proof

California should have just decided not to pay debts that it owed!

[chunksmediocrites]

Both California and Texas pay more in taxes to the federal government than they receive in federal monies. And the model state Texas added the most government jobs of any US state over the last 10 years- an addition of 164,400. California, by contrast, cut 56,400 government jobs over the same period.

OMG! Texas is socialist!

[Demimonde]

Ugh, you aren't kidding in terms of Texas being socialist. Our governor is so weak, the bureaucracy has no real oversight. They act as a fourth branch of government here with no check or balance. They are the rule makers and rule implementers.