I love it. I think it's great. I crave the late-mid-century aesthetic on the interior design and the technology and the costuming. Very Mad Men meets Legion meets literal TWA terminal. I can't get enough of Loki of all demi-people trying to navigate Kafka's Trial. I am here for the casting of Owen Wilson and Tara Strong and about half the cast of Lovecraft Country. Pillboi doesn't know what a fish is but he's got a junk drawer full of shiny. I mean what even the fuck?
There are so many fun theories and ideas I've seen on reddit and heard on podcasts, and I don't have it in me right now to try to do any of them justice, when they've been said so much better elsewhere, so I'll just say "uh-huh" and "yeah" and "oh neat!" to most of them. With one gigantic exception.
Let's talk about the stained glass window in the French church.
All I am hearing about in all 4 (four!) podcasts that I'm listening to about this show, is "MEPHISTO CONFIRMED!" and I say, NO! No no no no no. What the fuck is wrong with you people? Did we learn nothing from Wandavision? Mephisto's not here, man.
The diablo in the window is Loki, y'all. Does Mephisto have ridiculously long goat horns? No. Loki does. When Owen Wilson asked the French child "Who did this?" and the child pointed to the window, did Owen say "Aha, the Time Variant we are searching for must be Mephisto"? NO! He said it was fucking Loki.
I can be wrong. I have been before, partly because I'm not super smart in the area of comic books or guessing what different symbols mean in TV shows, and partly because Marvel is getting cute/lazy with the red herrings and intentional misdirects. So maybe it will turn out that I was wrong about the diablo in the window being Loki. BUT, I can't really be the only person seeing this really obvious thing, can I? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
I am totally in on Loki, been looking forward to it as much as I did Wandavision. And now having seen the first episode, I am even more excited.
I am especially intrigued by this Loki variant from 2012 Avengers and how his character will develop without the events of Thor: The Dark World and Thor: Ragnarok. What is Loki like without Thor?
Also, I watched one episode of MODOK and didn't love it, but I'll give it another try based on you all liking it.
Also, I watched one episode of MODOK and didn't love it, but I'll give it another try based on you all liking it.
So the initial setup poor schlub Modok with family is only okay, but in so 2 they start with the time travel.
It all struck me as thoroughly grounded in Marvel characters. Most of whom I knew, but many I had to look up.
I do think it gets better as it goes.
Fwiw, we were in shrooms when we first watched it, so I loved it but couldn’t follow it very well the first time. We rewatched when we came down, so I’m not sure how long it took to grow on me. Eventually I was really digging the universe and some of the running gags.
Also, I watched one episode of MODOK and didn't love it, but I'll give it another try based on you all liking it.
For real, even just let it play the next 2 episodes. Ep 2 gets into some fun time travel shenanigans, and Ep 3 is set in Asgard. I don't know if I really have favorite episodes, but if I did, those two would be up there, as well as Ep 8, which features Alan Tudyk as Arcade, and is chef's kiss exquisite.
I don't know nor care for what others are speculating. On purpose, I am generically avoiding bigger fora discussions on such things.
Could it be Mephisto? I guess, sure. Maybe. But these actions don't strike me as Mephisto style actions.
I'm not necessarily convinced it's Loki either. My reasoning: Loki doesn't do things quietly. Sneaky and back handed and stabby, sure. But Loki likes the center stage. He'd be signing his work for sure. But what do I know.
Also, I watched one episode of MODOK and didn't love it, but I'll give it another try based on you all liking it.
For real, even just let it play the next 2 episodes. Ep 2 gets into some fun time travel shenanigans, and Ep 3 is set in Asgard. I don't know if I really have favorite episodes, but if I did, those two would be up there, as well as Ep 8, which features Alan Tudyk as Arcade, and is chef's kiss exquisite.
Light spoiler for Modok
when I realized it was arcade, I was so excited. I told ES that he was an assassin whose power was like Rube Goldberg contrivances. The show did not disappoint with exploding robots and needless complications.
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Yeah, the whole fan theory thing with Wandavision really got to me, especially when it took over a recap podcast I'd been following. I agree that the main baddie might not be actually Loki. Having it revealed so early feels like a red herring.
Oh and the also: I too am completely sold on just the decor-vibe of the show. I knew places that still carried that kind of look as a young bort. And also [Thanks] for filling in where I reconized Pillboi.
what if the twist is that evil Loki is actually good and is destroying the evil TVA? That would leave a twist and own grandpaing timefoolery
on the table
I think that could definitely be part of it, for a couple of reasons (1) the next Phase of the MCU involves the Multiverse, so we can't have the TVA "pruning" time branches (2) the act of pruning can be seen as Thanos-level evil since all life in that branch is effectively ended and (3) the Minutemen seem awfully fashy in their uniforms and the TVA overly bureaucratic, those things are not usually seen as "good" in cinematic language.
Aww, come on! I need people to tell me how to feel about this stuff.
Okay, something non-spoilery to think about this weekend. There's not so much an airplane scene this week, but there is a bit where they're quickly flipping through some holograms of variants. I saw a blue-faced guy, a really big one, some kind of an athlete (cyclist?), and others. Were any of those sick refs or deep cuts I should care about?
Okay, I have watched the Second Episode now. Still awesome.
My daughter and I had a lot of fun trying to figure out when was Loki playing Mobius or being played by Mobius. And I am still not sure we ever figured it out properly. At any given moment, either one of them could have had the upper hand or playing a game so deep that there is no end. Loved this.
There's definitely something going on with Mobius. You don't have a name like that without something recursive happening. And all that stuff in Renslayer's office was trying too hard to be noticeably not trying to be noticed. That ring was there before Mobius because Mobius made the ring before the ring was there. Right?
Lady Loki? Amora the Enchantress? There were some clues that she's simply Loki if Loki had been born female. I loved that her plan involved setting off multiple reset charges along the Sacred Timeline, though I am thinking they were modified to create branches rather than pruning branches. Or by virtue of being set off within the Sacred Timeline, their pruning action actually caused the Sacred Timeline to unravel.
The Sacred Timeline isn't a single timeline, but a bunch of timelines being woven together to keep them from diverging by the Time Keepers. Why? Most likely something that will benefit the Time Keepers alone. The multiverse is meant to exist and it is the Sacred Timeline that is the perversion. Loki and Mobius are the ones to set the multiverse free of the authoritarian dictatorship of the Time Keepers.
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