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03-22-2011, 11:01 PM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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Really now? I'd like to see those numbers.
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The first day of Operation Odyssey Dawn had a price tag that was well over $100 million for the U.S. in missiles alone.
How many cancer operations can you buy for $100 million?
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03-22-2011, 11:03 PM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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Originally Posted by Watser?
It says here that Canadian healthcare is among the best in the world!
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Does it mention that the Rich Elite Government Officials of Canada come to the US and pay out of pocket for better care?
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03-22-2011, 11:03 PM
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I said it, so I feel it, dick
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
Jerome, that doesn't mean anything when we are talking about 1 cancer patient paying for treatment. You asserted that he could afford treatment if he hadn't paid income taxes
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03-22-2011, 11:08 PM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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Jerome, that doesn't mean anything when we are talking about 1 cancer patient paying for treatment. You asserted that he could afford treatment if he hadn't paid income taxes
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The issue is bigger then that, high insurance premiums are a subversive tax on the working class.
These premiums are mandated and regulated by government.
The insurance companies and government are in league to train the population to expect a no to little cost at time of delivery for even the most minor care, thus the real cost/tax is hidden in the premiums, which most people don't see because it is part of their compensation for their labor.
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03-22-2011, 11:10 PM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
If the US was not doing the work of Empire for the 'West' then we would have plenty to fund whatever was needed.
Let me know when Canada spends $100 million in one day to protect it's position in the Empire.
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03-22-2011, 11:11 PM
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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These premiums are mandated and regulated by government.
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Oh? Can you provide the evidence you are basing that on, please?
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03-22-2011, 11:12 PM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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These premiums are mandated and regulated by government.
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Oh? Can you provide the evidence you are basing that on, please? |
Seriously?
Are you really not aware that government 'regulates' health insurance, in fact subsidizes it?
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03-22-2011, 11:16 PM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
How about in my very progressive State of Maryland.
In Maryland, health insurance companies have few rules to abide by when deciding whether or not to sell a health insurance policy to an individual and what to charge for the policy.
Maryland health insurance laws allow insurance companies to use different factors when determining the cost and availability of your Maryland health insurance policy.
In other words, Maryland health insurance companies can use your health and age to decide whether or not they want to offer you a health insurance policy. These same factors can also be used to determine what your Maryland health insurance policy will cost.
Although it is illegal for a Maryland health insurance company to deny you continued coverage on the basis on health or age, your premiums can significantly increase due to these factors.
Lastly, any Maryland health insurance company is free to refuse you coverage and free to charge you what they want. However, Maryland health insurance companies that participate in SAAC follow different rules. SAAC insurance companies must offer a Maryland health insurance policy to anyone during the yearly open enrollment period.
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03-22-2011, 11:26 PM
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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These premiums are mandated and regulated by government.
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Oh? Can you provide the evidence you are basing that on, please? |
Seriously?
Are you really not aware that government 'regulates' health insurance, in fact subsidizes it? |
I was not aware that the government mandated premiums, which is what you asserted.
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03-22-2011, 11:34 PM
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
Some rich Canadian once drank a bottle of Mountain Valley Spring Water.
Socialist water is poison.
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03-22-2011, 11:54 PM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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I was not aware that the government mandated premiums, which is what you asserted.
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Ok, if government mandates what an insurance company has to pay for then government is mandating the premium.
Now we have a circumstance in which a $50 doctors appointment for an infected hangnail costs $1,000 due to the need to pay for the bureaucracy needed to facilitate payment.
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03-22-2011, 11:58 PM
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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Really now? I'd like to see those numbers.
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I'm sure Jerome will be more than happy to make them up.
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Now we have a circumstance in which a $50 doctors appointment for an infected hangnail costs $1,000 due to the need to pay for the bureaucracy needed to facilitate payment.
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03-23-2011, 12:07 AM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
ChuckF doesn't read the accounting that he receives in the mail from his insurance company.
The ignorant truly are free.
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03-23-2011, 12:11 AM
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
Wow I just went and checked my mail and I found the accounting from the insurance company and now I'm reading it and I just got to the part about how the $50 doctors (sic) appointment for an infected hangnail costs $1,000 due to the need to pay for the bureaucracy needed to facilitate payment. True story.
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03-23-2011, 12:12 AM
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the internet says I'm right
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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Income tax is immoral.
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Why? Not that I'm saying we absolutely have to have an income tax instead of other forms of taxes, but saying it is immoral (full stop, not just under certain circumstances or misuse) seems like a pretty bold claim. What do you have to back it up? |
Taxing the labor of a person is immoral. You are literally taxing their ability to care for themselves. |
This only restates your assertion. I'm asking for supporting arguments, not a rewording. |
Not to distract from the always-hilarious "Jerome pulls numbers out of undisclosed locations" game, but I'm still wondering if you have any supporting arguments for your assertion that "income tax is immoral."
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03-23-2011, 12:15 AM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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I'm still wondering if you have any supporting arguments for your assertion that "income tax is immoral."
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Your own mind.
How can the taking a part of the workers ability to feed himself moral?
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03-23-2011, 12:22 AM
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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If government didn't force insurgence companies to pay for infected hang nails then [sic] catastrophic insurance would be inexpensive.
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So Blackwater is writing heath insurance policies now? Christ.
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03-23-2011, 12:47 AM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
Exactly
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03-23-2011, 03:59 AM
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Projecting my phallogos with long, hard diction
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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That sounds like the Canadian health-care system.
One of their cabinet ministers flew to California for cancer treatment.
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Also more of the conflation of health insurance with hospitals. They also like to talk about regular Canadians coming to America.
The US does have hospitals that are better than Canadian hospitals for various things. We're also 10 times the size of Canada, so it would be far more remarkable if Canadian hospitals were uniformly better than US hospitals for all things.
However, the thing is, that sometimes when Canadians go to the US for treatment - the Canadian government is still paying for it.
And they also like to pretend that for some reason having a great hospital in your country makes your health care better, even if you can't afford to go to it. I'll take single payer healthcare from a Canadian hospital over no healthcare or bankruptcy from an American one.
And their healthcare is so bad that Canadians die negative 3 years earlier!
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Haha, just kidding. When this rightwing government is done there will be no libraries.
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Hey, maybe you can send your right-wing government here, where it will be considered radically left-wing?
Could be win-win.
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03-23-2011, 04:02 AM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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However, the thing is, that sometimes when Canadians go to the US for treatment - the Canadian government is still paying for it.
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Only the Elite in Canada get the workers to pay for their health care trips to America.
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03-23-2011, 04:09 AM
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
Exactly
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03-23-2011, 04:26 AM
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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loool remember when Republicans were all "omfg they wants to put teh gummint in between u an you're doctor!" And how bad that was? To be fair, they were pretty vehement that health care is not a right, no, not even a little. Unlike, say, abortion.
Say hello to undue burden. Hi there, undue burden!
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A law signed by Gov. Dennis Daugaard on Tuesday makes the state the first to require women who are seeking abortions to first attend a consultation at one of these centers, to learn what assistance is available “to help the mother keep and care for her child.”
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Those laws that remain are already restrictive by national standards. The state, for example, requires a one-day waiting period as well as some counseling from clinic staff, mandating that women be told that an abortion “will terminate the life of a whole, separate, unique living human being.”
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Patients often have to drive hours across the state to seek an abortion, so under the new law they would need to make several trips or find a place to stay for the three-day waiting period.
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Once you get past the first few paragraphs of this crappy article that are written like a human interest story it's worth it. |
I like that South Dakota has a 72-hour waiting period for abortions, but a 48-hour wait for handguns.
Sacred blastocysts.
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03-23-2011, 04:41 AM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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What difference does it make?
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03-23-2011, 12:34 PM
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
The fetus cannot be truly free and secure until the law permits it to purchase and own a firearm in its own right, without the tyrannical meddling of the state. Such was the clear original intent of M. Vattel, author of the Constitution.
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03-23-2011, 03:20 PM
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
I am reliably informed that during next week's joint session of the Louisiana legislature Gov. Bobby Jindal, dressed as Francis Lightfoot Lee, will shove a loaded Pfiefer Zeliska .600 Nitro revolver up the cooter of a pregnant lady while Lee Greenwood and the Jimmy Swaggart Children's Choir belt out a rousing rendition of Rush's Tom Sawyer.
For as Thomas Jefferson wrote, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the liquor amnii that sustaineth a foetus fully prepared to exercise its holy Second Amendment remedies. It is its natural manure."
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