A revolution in thought

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by davidm

Blah blah blah.

As noted, we’ve already given you links to science studies showing that dogs can recognize their human partners from photos and videos alone, by sight alone, and more recently, studies showing dogs can converse with us using soundboards and understand what we and they are saying.

I saw the flawed experiment with levers. I have never seen a photo or video alone that indicated dogs can recognize their masters. None. Send them to me if you can find them. Where did soundboards enter into this? We are talking about sight, not sound. Why are you conflating the two?

[davidm]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

I saw the flawed experiment with levers. I have never seen a photo or video alone that indicated dogs can recognize their masters. None. Send them to me if you can find them. Where did soundboards enter into this? We are talking about sight, not sound. Why are you conflating the two?

I already did, years ago, and I’m not going to do it again. Do your own research. The soundboard links is higher in this thread. Do you not even read?

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by davidm

I already did, years ago, and I’m not going to do it again. Do your own research. The soundboard links is higher in this thread. Do you not even read?

Why the snarkiness? Are you going to start that all over again? I've looked and have found nothing that show dogs recognize their masters from a computer screen or a picture without the use of sound or movement (gait), even with AI. Dogs can be conditioned to give certain responses (like the lever example), but this does not prove the claim that dogs can recognize by sight due to light waves traveling to their eyes and brain. They would recognize their master immediately if this were true, but this doesn't happen. You will continue to disregard his very astute observation probably because of cognitive/dissonance. You can't handle it. Anyway, if you are so sure he's wrong, why are you wasting your time here?

[peacegirl]

David, you wrote this: As noted, we’ve already given you links to science studies showing that dogs can recognize their human partners from photos and videos alone, by sight alone, and more recently, studies showing dogs can converse with us using soundboards and understand what we and they are saying.

Peacegirl: What does this have to do with sight? You are doing this because you have nothing else.

MSN.

[davidm]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

David, you wrote this: As noted, we’ve already given you links to science studies showing that dogs can recognize their human partners from photos and videos alone, by sight alone, and more recently, studies showing dogs can converse with us using soundboards and understand what we and they are saying.

Peacegirl: What does this have to do with sight? You are doing this because you have nothing else.

MSN.

Peacegirl, nobody here is going down the rabbit hole with you again. We are here purely for this lulz.

[davidm]

Why don’t you try your hand at the revived iidb? Maybe you’ll have better luck this time. They have pretty brisk participation. .

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by davidm

Why don’t you try your hand at the revived iidb? Maybe you’ll have better luck this time. They have pretty brisk participation. .

Speak for yourself David. You just can't understand purposely or not that this is not compatibilist free will. I explained it to you, but you ignore me. You cannot bring yourself to agree with anything because you've committed yourself to disagree at all costs. I don't like these forums because of the arrogance, and I won't spend much time at any. I came back here because I happened to find another video where a dog smelled his owner in a store after months of not seeing her and started wagging his tail with such excitement. There are no videos like this where sight is concerned. There are videos where they condition dogs to do certain things for a treat. This is not the same thing!!!

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by davidm

Why don’t you try your hand at the revived iidb? Maybe you’ll have better luck this time. They have pretty brisk participation. .

Thanks for refreshing my memory. I just went there. I must have been deleted when they changed names, so it's starting over again. I may join just to fill in the time while I'm trying to market. I have to reach people who are familiar with the free will/determinism debate otherwise it will be a waste of time.

[davidm]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

What do you mean "revived?"

It was gone for a long time, then it came back under new management. Try it! You might like it. Lots of people are posting there, most of whom have never heard of the book.

[ChuckF]

Gosh, maybe they also need to hear from me, as I am the True Steward of the Authentic Text? So they can do their own research - free of charge, of course - and not waste money on some hack hawking a Corrupted Text for lucre.

[davidm]

Yes, peacegirl, I strongly suggest you start a new Revolution in Thought thread at iidb.

[Crumb]

If that happens someone must link me to it.

[Stephen Maturin]

Originally Posted by davidm

Try it!

By all means! Surely it would go much differently than the last time.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by davidm

It was gone for a long time, then it came back under new management. Try it! You might like it. Lots of people are posting there, most of whom have never heard of the book.

Thanks David. I just joined but I'm hesitant to open this can of worms again, although I feel compelled to do whatever I can to bring this discovery to light. Before my time is up on this earth, I will keep trying. I just hope there is decent moderation there because I will not tolerate the bad-mouthing that I experienced here.

[davidm]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Thanks David. I just joined but I'm hesitant to open this can of worms again, although I feel compelled to do whatever I can to bring this discovery to light. Before my time is up on this earth, I will keep trying. I just hope there is decent moderation there because I will not tolerate the bad-mouthing that I experienced here.

Yes, it is moderated, no insults or ad homs, no name-calling, etc, so you should do just fine, and it’s under new management. Go for it!

[davidm]

Just a word to the wise, peacegirl, iidb puts the first few posts or so of a new member into a moderation queue (see? moderation!) to evaluate whether the new poster is a troll or maybe batshit insane. So, take it easy at first, maybe just write a bland post introducing yourself and how happy you are to be there. Stuff like that.

[Stephen Maturin]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

BTW, I am the true steward of this work.

That is incorrect.

Originally Posted by ChuckF

So they can do their own research - free of charge, of course - and not waste money on some hack hawking a Corrupted Text for lucre.

As always, true stewardship is a labor of love!

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by davidm

Just a word to the wise, peacegirl, iidb puts the first few posts or so of a new member into a moderation queue (see? moderation!) to evaluate whether the new poster is a troll or maybe batshit insane. So, take it easy at first, maybe just write a bland post introducing yourself and how happy you are to be there. Stuff like that.

I really do appreciate the tip! It's all about first impressions, I suppose. The thing is, I know broaching these subjects (determinism, the eyes, and death) are going to bring up a lot of resistance, which is okay, as long as the conversation stays productive and there are no attacks. I also want to give some credit to this place. Maturin taught me about vetting my sources which has gone a long way to my being a legitimate source of information. In the end, I overcame the insults, the lulz, the bad-mouthing, the false accusations, the outright lies, the jokes at my expense, the ad hominems, the exploitation, etc. Chuck came into this thread like a bull on steroids. He tried to ruin it for me altogether, but he didn't. Thanks to all the narcissists here for giving me a thick skin. For this I am forever grateful!

[davidm]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

I really do appreciate the tip! It's all about first impressions, I suppose. The thing is, I know broaching these subjects (determinism, the eyes, and death) are going to bring up a lot of resistance, which is okay, as long as the conversation stays productive and there are no attacks. I also want to give some credit to this place. Maturin taught me about vetting my sources which has gone a long way to my being a legitimate source of information. In the end, I overcame the insults, the lulz, the bad-mouthing, the false accusations, the outright lies, the jokes at my expense, the ad hominems, the exploitation, etc. Chuck came into this thread like a bull on steroids. He tried to ruin it for me altogether, but he didn't. Thanks to all the narcissists here for giving me a thick skin. For this I am forever grateful!

On behalf of all the narcissists here, particularly ChuckF, the liar in wolf’s clothing, bull on steroids, and True Steward of the Authentic Text, you are welcome.

I’d suggesting starting slowly, with a thread such as “A new look at determinism and free will,” and avoid, at least in the first few posts, all the stuff about a revolution in thought that will mean the end of all evil.

[Stephen Maturin]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Maturin taught me about vetting my sources which has gone a long way to my being a legitimate source of information.

To your credit, you learned that lesson very well, as evidenced by the quality of the sources cited in that vaccines thread. Your persistence is remarkable, peacegirl; I don't think anyone here would deny that.

Originally Posted by davidm

bull on steroids

If that had been something like "bull in a China pudding steroid shop," a custom user title change might have been in order. As it is, though, "liar in wolf's clothing" is still better.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by davidm

On behalf of all the narcissists here, particularly ChuckF, the liar in wolf’s clothing, bull on steroids, and True Steward of the Authentic Text, you are welcome.

I’d suggesting starting slowly, with a thread such as “A new look at determinism and free will,” and avoid, at least in the first few posts, all the stuff about a revolution in thought that will mean the end of all evil.

How about this? Revolution in Thought -- A New Look at determinism and free will.

[davidm]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

How about this? Revolution in Thought -- A New Look at determinism and free will.

That sounds fine. Just don’t overpromise in the first post — avoid in the first post talk about ending all evil, etc. It will immediately set everyone on edge. Ease into it slowly.

[davidm]

I’d also suggest before starting the thread, make a nice intro post. I think they have an “introduce yourself” thread or somr such in the Lounge.

[davidm]

It’s right here.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by davidm

That sounds fine. Just don’t overpromise in the first post — avoid in the first post talk about ending all evil, etc. It will immediately set everyone on edge. Ease into it slowly.

Thanks for your input! Eventually though I'm going to have to mention his claims because that's why I signed up.