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ZEZOZE · #26 01-25-2015, 04:05 AM

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Pro lifers are terrified of their own non-existence...that's why they are mostly theists...and so assume that the very thought of not existing must be terrifying to everyone. They've always said that "What if your mother chose abortion?" like that should cause your feels to get all bad. When countered with "If my mother chose abortion I wouldn't be here to even know or care" they get a short circuit in their brain, mostly, and change the subject to whores or whatever. They don't go at it logical or anything.

people can certainly be silly when they get all riled up, but i suspect that most pro lifers are terrified at the thought of unborn children being killed.

Ari · #27 01-25-2015, 04:36 AM

Doubtful.
If that was their main concern they would support free birthcontrol, free prenatal care and easy adoptions. Instead they support raping women, reducing women's medical care and silencing them in debates. It's not just a coincidence states with the largest pro-life leanings also have the highest unwanted pregnancy rates.

I think it's pretty obvious they hate women and want them punished.

ZEZOZE · #28 01-25-2015, 05:17 AM

lol. ok.

well i'm pro-life and i believe that life starts at conception, but i'm not opposed to birth control, free prenatal care...though 'easy' adoption doesn't sound right to me. i'm not against adoption, but i also think we should live in a world where poor people don't have to give up their children or young women are stigmatized for having a child out of wedlock.

but i'm relatively sane, just like most of the other people i know who think life starts at conception. i bet there are more of us than them, but pointing us out doesn't prove points.

i wonder what the difference is. i mean there are crazy pro-lifers here with their terrible signs of mutilated baby bodies, but it's not as big a deal...

oh wait.

America.

Dingfod · #29 01-25-2015, 05:46 AM

This is not a human being...

ZEZOZE · #30 01-25-2015, 05:48 AM

you're just looking at it backwards.

Dingfod · #31 01-25-2015, 06:47 AM

No, you are.

ZEZOZE · #32 01-25-2015, 07:04 AM

naw. i'm more like cross-eyed.

Ari · #33 01-25-2015, 02:07 PM

Cool story bro but no one was talking about you.
Next time perhaps start your statement off with my personal beliefs instead of assuming everyone believes as you do. I know it's hard.

ZEZOZE · #34 01-25-2015, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ari

Cool story bro but no one was talking about you.
Next time perhaps start your statement off with my personal beliefs instead of assuming everyone believes as you do. I know it's hard.

Hey Ari, liv and The Man (and any late comers)...

I was talking about me. I will start my threads whichever way I choose.

anyhow...this is your comeback? i touched a nerve you'll deny i ever came close to.

and I don't think anybody here believes like i do. it's why i enjoy the challenge of being here. It's like hanging out at a christian fundie site, except you have better things to read and the contributors seem to be a lot better educated. i prefer your books.

ok Ari?

good.

now go murder unborn children. see if i stop ya. it's your choice.

ZEZOZE · #35 01-25-2015, 11:31 PM

and reading back, Ari, LadyShea was addressing me as she said pro-lifers. i am pro-life, in the sense that i think abortion is almost always wrong. so i was addressed. i even quoted her.

Dingfod · #36 01-26-2015, 01:03 AM

Nothing wrong with having an opinion based on religious belief. There is a big difference between holding an opinion based on a religious belief and imposing same belief on other people who don't share that belief.

ChuckF · #37 01-26-2015, 02:04 AM

lol, the BBC has a good picture of somebody's big cardboard cross with ABORT ABORTION written on it. What if the person who invented abortion's mom had had an abortion??? Through the looking glass, people.

ZEZOZE · #38 01-26-2015, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Dingfod

Nothing wrong with having an opinion based on religious belief. There is a big difference between holding an opinion based on a religious belief and imposing same belief on other people who don't share that belief.

what makes you think my belief is based on religion? maybe i'm a minority, but it's not. it's just my gut feeling.

it's interesting though...why does science in some places have the right to determine when life begins? i find it all very ambiguous. why do abortionists have the right to take the belief of scientists and force it on others.

when life begins, to me, is just a matter of opinion. you can use whatever words you want to make your case for or against, but as soon as that sperm gets all up in that egg...it's alive imo.

Crumb · #39 01-26-2015, 02:48 AM

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why do abortionists have the right to take the belief of scientists and force it on others.

When does this happen? :chin:

ZEZOZE · #40 01-26-2015, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Crumb

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why do abortionists have the right to take the belief of scientists and force it on others.

When does this happen? :chin:

isn't there some scientific determination for when life begins in the womb?

i thought there was...maybe i am wrong. if so- apologies.

ZEZOZE · #41 01-26-2015, 02:56 AM

i googled it. i think i am wrong on that one.

Kael · #42 01-26-2015, 03:36 AM

There's no strong consensus on the question, mostly because it depends so much on your definitions. What do you mean by "life begins?" I would object to calling it a human life for most if not all of a pregnancy for several reasons, but we don't even need to get into the science to see the problems with the notion that we should call it a human life at the instant of fertilization. It leads to some incredibly absurd behavior, like investigating and prosecuting women for having miscarriages, and it prioritizes a single cell that could become a human over an actual living human.

ZEZOZE · #43 01-26-2015, 03:46 AM

prosecuting women for a miscarriage? i thought i was the one on drugs? where do you live??

anyhow...

Dingfod · #44 01-26-2015, 04:00 AM

El Salvador has jailed women for miscarriages. A number of U.S. state legislators have pushed for similar laws.

ZEZOZE · #45 01-26-2015, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dingfod

El Salvador has jailed women for miscarriages. A number of U.S. state legislators have pushed for similar laws.

well that doesn't change my opinion about abortion and when life begins and it also doesn't change my opinion that there are crazy assholes all over the world.

LadyShea · #46 01-26-2015, 04:38 AM

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why do abortionists have the right to take the belief of scientists and force it on others.

When does this happen? :chin:

That's a good question. What belief of scientists are abortionists forcing on people?

ZEZOZE · #47 01-26-2015, 04:40 AM

i already apologized for that LS. i thought there were laws that state when the baby in the women is officially a baby and you can no longer have an abortion. i put it across wrong and admitted my mistake.

Kael · #48 01-26-2015, 02:58 PM

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El Salvador has jailed women for miscarriages. A number of U.S. state legislators have pushed for similar laws.

well that doesn't change my opinion about abortion and when life begins and it also doesn't change my opinion that there are crazy assholes all over the world.

I know you're not big on thinking things through, but those sorts of policies are a natural next step of your belief about when life begins. If that little bundle of cells barely starting to differentiate is a human life, the state has the same obligation to protect that life as it does for any other. There are pretty good scientific and ethical arguments to be made for why that bundle of cells isn't a human life, but the consequences alone are a heavy argument against it, I think.

Clutch Munny · #49 01-26-2015, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kael

[ If that little bundle of cells barely starting to differentiate is a human life, the state has the same prima facie obligation to protect that life as it does for any other.

I think this is the most that could follow, but presumably something akin to personhood would also be needed; "human life" broadly applies to a shed skin cell, too, and doesn't mean much to the state on its own. But even if we read "person" for "human life" -- a huge allowance -- the p.f. protection from the state is widely seen as defeated in precisely cases like pregnancy, for reasons argued most vividly and famously by Judith Jarvis Thomson: the state's mandate to look out for the well-being of an adult citizen does not plausibly extend to compelling me to remain hooked up to that citizen by tubes for 9 months, not even if it would kill that citizen for me to disconnect the tubes.

Watser? · #50 01-26-2015, 03:31 PM

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