Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME
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Originally Posted by LadyShea
Those "greedy abortion providers" usually offer numerous additional, and affordable, services (often on a sliding fee scale)...like pap smears, STD/HIV testing and treatment, birth control, and educational services.
I know, they make a profit margin 3 times that of the oil companies.
Assuming, for the sake of argument, that this is true, that is just the Free Market at work, law of supply and demand, doncha know.
Of course it isn't really a free market, is it? What with the supply being artificially constricted by government regulation.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
Their $100,000,000 plus yearly profit can not afford basic emergency care for the women that desire treatment?
Fuck those women, they signed up, I need my fucking PROFIT and I can't be bothered to provide them with emergency care if the shit goes wrong.
You are TRAPing my profits.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
So, you are talking exclusively about Planned Parenthood. You do realize, don't you, that there are other abortion providers?
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
Right, I provided the evidence of ability to pay for the lifesaving of women and you still could give a fuck.
Why do you need for the provider to have such a large profit?
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
Also, it's a non-profit organization. The net revenue stays with the organization to fund facilities and services. Again, what the hell are you talking about?
In 2009 they netted 63 million and you're comparing them with big oil?
Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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Originally Posted by LadyShea
For claiming to be a businessman in the top 1% he sure has a lot of fucked up notions about money. Apparently he can't read financial reports either.
It poses the question "What can Jerome do?"
I've never seen anything from him that ever indicated his claimed five or six medium-sized corporations wouldn't be better off under the leadership of a lobotomized goldfish.
Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
Actually, if you look closer, you will see that they lost a few million due to investment losses - these being 2009 figures that is not surprising. They may have a stake in their employee pension funds that required propping up, or they may try to get additional funding by investing some of their money.
In fairness, Jerome was going on about their profit margin, not the actual profits. And if they were a for-profit organisation, they would be rather juicy - about 10% on a billion turnover is not to be sneezed at. In this case it would simply go to next years budget, and suggests that they have room for additional projects, or if they are supplying proper services currently, that they are well-run.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
So, you are against medical service providers making a profit?
Also JEROME, as a legal scholar you are no doubt familiar with People ex rel. Groman v. Sinai Temple 20 Cal. App. 3d 614, and should have no trouble applying it to this set of facts. Right?
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Originally Posted by ChuckF
So, you are against medical service providers making a profit?
Also JEROME, as a legal scholar you are no doubt familiar with People ex rel. Groman v. Sinai Temple 20 Cal. App. 3d 614, and should have no trouble applying it to this set of facts. Right?
That has nothing to do with the ability of this organization to afford the life saving instruments that are required by these regulations.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME
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Originally Posted by ChuckF
So, you are against medical service providers making a profit?
Also JEROME, as a legal scholar you are no doubt familiar with People ex rel. Groman v. Sinai Temple 20 Cal. App. 3d 614, and should have no trouble applying it to this set of facts. Right?
That has nothing to do with the ability of this organization to afford the life saving instruments that are required by these regulations.
So, you are in favor of the government controlling how health care providers spend their revenue?
Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
The Planned Parenthood meets all of Kansas' new regulations as I already posted...which included such life saving important stuff as larger janitors closets. The 2 other clinics in Kansas did not.
So yeah, PP can afford to meet the ridiculous TRAP laws in most cases, because they have the funds to do it. Non PP providers often cannot.
Does that make you happy Jerome? Are women's lives being saved by eliminating 2 out of only 3 providers in Kansas?
Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
As a society we regulate for safety all manner of industries, you wouldn't want gasoline stations operating in an unsafe manner just because a few may go out of business.
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So, you are in favor of the government instead of the free market deciding which businesses succeed and which businesses fail? (lol this is so easy, no wonder you do it all the time)
Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
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Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME
That has nothing to do with the ability of this organization to afford the life saving instruments that are required by these regulations.
So how does expanding the size of janitor's closets save lives? How about the size of waiting rooms?
If these regulations are so vital, why are they only being imposed on abortion providers and not other outpatient providers like dental surgery and plastic surgery centers?
Lastly, which patient in Kansas has actually died as a result of having too small a waiting room or for want of a sufficiently large janitor's closet? It follows, if these regulations are indeed "life saving", that someone somewhere would perish without them.
The timing of this law is probably not coincidental. Anti-choice activists publicly tut-tut at murdering clinic doctors, but they rely on them to change the "facts on the ground" as the Pentagon might say, and later swoop in to attempt to clear out all the other abortion providers whose doctors haven't been assassinated.
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Re: All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack
Here is the original incident.
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