All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Not sure if it's been mentioned...

Kansas Law with a bunch of new Abortion Clinic Building Regulations

Those are known as TRAP laws (targeted regulation of abortion providers). They are horrible, Jerome, because they usually only apply to one type of business, abortion clinics, or if they write it in such a way as to apply to other businesses, they put in convoluted waiver policies so that nobody has to comply except abortion clinics.


85% of US counties do not have an abortion provider, mostly due to TRAP laws. States cannot outlaw abortion outright, so they are regulating them out of business.

[Jerome]

So, you guys are against government regulation of medical services?

[Jerome]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

85% of US counties do not have an abortion provider, msotly due to TRAP laws. States cannot outlaw abortion entirely, so they are regulating them out of business.

What are you saying here? That someone that wants an abortion can't get one?

[Jerome]

What regulation of abortion should be allowed?

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

So, you guys are against government regulation of medical services?

Not at all. I am against specifically targeting only one type of medical service for extra regulations that have nothing to do with patient safety or quality of care.

If these regulations applied to ALL medical service providers, without waivers, I wouldn't have a problem.

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

What are you saying here? That someone that wants an abortion can't get one?

I am saying that in 85% of the country women have to travel to get an abortion, sometimes for hundreds of miles, and that puts an undue burden on women trying to access a legal medical service.

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

What regulation of abortion should be allowed?

The same regulations that apply to all medical services, providers, and facilities.

[ChuckF]

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

So, you guys are against government regulation of medical services?

This subtly crafted work of logic and rhetoric reflects your legal mind at work.

[Jerome]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Not at all. I am against specifically targeting only one type of medical service for extra regulations that have nothing to do with patient safety or quality of care.

If these regulations applied to ALL medical service providers, without waivers, I wouldn't have a problem.

:unsure:

the stocking of emergency equipment, medications and blood supplies, and ties to nearby hospitals

Abortion is a pretty invasive procedure, these seem like requirements which will save the lives of women.

[Jerome]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

I am saying that in 85% of the country women have to travel to get an abortion, sometimes for hundreds of miles, and that puts an undue burden on women trying to access a legal medical service.

What percentage of counties have cancer treatment facilities?

[Jerome]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

The same regulations that apply to all medical services, providers, and facilities.

All medical services are not the same. Some are more dangerous then others, it looks like the greedy abortion providers are out for the cash, not the well being of the women needing the service.

[Jerome]

Emma Jean Butler is suing Planned Parenthood for $50 million dollars in damages. Butler took her daughter to the D.C. Planned Parenthood on September 7, 2006 to abort a child conceived in rape. During the abortion, the young girl sustained severe abdominal bleeding, severe vaginal injury, severe injury to the cervix, significant uterine perforation, and a small bowel tear. In addition, parts of the child were found inside young girl’s abdomen on September 8, 2006. Because of these injuries, the young girl will be infertile for the rest of her life.

Planned Parenthood Federation of America has an annual total income of $1.02 billion with profits of $115 million.

I think they can afford to properly care for the women in need.

[ChuckF]

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

Abortion is...

these seem like...

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

What percentage of counties have cancer treatment facilities?

Not enough, to be sure.

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

greedy abortion providers

[erimir]

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

Abortion is an emotional issue used to get the proles to take sides, like sports fans.

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

I don't vote for either major party. I am claiming that the abortion issue is a tool used to get the proles to divide though an emotional Pavlov like response.

How does it feel to be a prole, Jerome?

I'm pretty sure owners of five medium-sized corporations don't count as members of the proletariat, though.

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

:unsure:

the stocking of emergency equipment, medications and blood supplies, and ties to nearby hospitals

Abortion is a pretty invasive procedure, these seem like requirements which will save the lives of women.

All medical services are not the same. Some are more dangerous then others, it looks like the greedy abortion providers are out for the cash, not the well being of the women needing the service.

It's not anymore dangerous than childbirth or cosmetic surgery (specifically liposuction) or some dental procedures, nor is it "pretty invasive" as it doesn't include any incisions. The complication rate is very low compared to other medical procedures and the death rate from complications even lower.

Again, if other clinics, like say cosmetic surgery clinics or dental surgery clinics, are subject to the same regulations, then fine.

[Angakuk]

Yebbut, those kinds of clinics don't do procedures that have the potential to destroy Western Civilization. That is a significant difference, don't you think?

[ChuckF]

You've never been to my dentist.

[LadyShea]

it looks like the greedy abortion providers are out for the cash, not the well being of the women needing the service.

Those "greedy abortion providers" usually offer numerous additional, and affordable, services (often on a sliding fee scale)...like pap smears, STD/HIV testing and treatment, birth control, and educational services.

Abortion costs way, way less than a hospital childbirth, or a nose job, or fertility treatment, and few people openly seek to commit violence against these other types of medical service providers or picket, vandalize or destroy their facilities, so MDs would do better to go into a different field if money is their motivation rather than women's health.

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by erimir

How does it feel to be a prole, Jerome?

I'm pretty sure owners of five medium-sized corporations don't count as members of the proletariat, though.

I dunno. I've read Jerry make claims of being in the top 1% just a week or two ago, so he's prolly being really modest about the actual sizes of all five of his actual business operations.

[LadyShea]

A lawyer for the Aid for Women clinic in Kansas City, Kan., said Friday that it received a notice that its application for a license had been denied by the Kansas Department of Health and Environment without an inspection. Attorney Cheryl Pilate said the clinic was looking at its legal options but would have to close, at least temporarily.

The clinic received its notice on the same day the leader of a regional Planned Parenthood chapter said inspectors who spent two days at its Overland Park clinic found it will comply with all new regulations. An inspection of the third provider is scheduled for Wednesday. All three are in the Kansas City area.

"We're doomed," said Dr. Herbert Hodes, who performs abortions for the third provider, the Women's Health Center, also in Overland Park.

I agree with this analysis

It seems pretty clear that the state will leave one abortion clinic open in order to fight any lawsuit claiming that the state has made access to abortion impossible, violating Roe V. Wade. It would make the most sense to leave the Planned Parenthood clinic open, then enforce Kansas's attempt to ban funding to the group, forcing the clinic to lay off staff and increase wait times, once more limiting women's access to abortions.

Both quotes from here

Here's some info about TRAP laws
And more TRAP info



Jerome, I don't for one second believe you give a shit about this issue, but this is important info so I am using your comments as a springboard.

[Gonzo]

using your comments as a springboard

custom user title itt

[Kael]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

I dunno. I've read Jerry make claims of being in the top 1% just a week or two ago, so he's prolly being really modest about the actual sizes of all five of his actual business operations.

He has claimed he pays himself a salary bigger than the President's, which is currently $400k base plus a few expense budgets. That puts him well into the 95th percentile for income in the US, probably in the top 1%, but I can't be arsed to check.

Not that it's at all relevant to the staggering ignorance and asinine behavior he continues to display at every turn. Jackass-ery knows no class.

[Gonzo]

[Angakuk]

Originally Posted by ChuckF

You've never been to my dentist.

Not likely to either. No way would I want someone who has had his/her hands in your mouth to put those same hands in my mouth.

[Jerome]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Those "greedy abortion providers" usually offer numerous additional, and affordable, services (often on a sliding fee scale)...like pap smears, STD/HIV testing and treatment, birth control, and educational services.

I know, they make a profit margin 3 times that of the oil companies.