All Gov Funded Organizations Providing Pro-Choice Options Under Attack

[chunksmediocrites]

Originally Posted by lisarea

Yeah, it's not the first time someone's proposed some kind of Miscarriage Investigation branch of government recently, but hells if I can remember where the last one was.

It may have been that Utah HB 12, the "miscarriage as criminal homicide" bill that got a lot of attention last year, and was ultimately vetoed by the anti-abortion governor, who under national scrutiny, asked the Utah legislature to write a "toned down" version, HB 462, which passed and he signed.
Here's a decent summary blog post on the Utah law, which started out with miscarriage defined in some cases as criminal homicide, with painfully broad language. Under HB 462, now passed into law, a woman who has an illegal abortion can be prosecuted for criminal homicide in Utah.

[Qingdai]

Then we can get those fetuses (fettii?) jobs!

Missouri state senator rules to repeal state child labor laws.

http://www.senate.mo.gov/11info/BTS_...BillID=4124271

Paging Charles Dickens, paging Charles Dickens.

[The Man]

On a related note, it's nice to know the Republicans think women are less important than horses.

[Jerome]

Originally Posted by The Man

On a related note, it's nice to know the Republicans think women are less important than horses.

The other option is to shoot the horses, are you advocating the shooting of women?

[Cliche Guevara]

Goody, there's already a thread...so I'll just pop this in here:

Top 10 Shocking Attacks from the GOP's War on Women


America! You ought to be ashamed. It's 2011, not 1211!

[Cliche Guevara]

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

The other option is to shoot the horses, are you advocating the shooting of women?

Make contraceptive services, early childhood services, etc, etc, unavailable, and you might as well.

[Cliche Guevara]

Originally Posted by Qingdai

Then we can get those fetuses (fettii?) jobs!

Missouri state senator rules to repeal state child labor laws.

http://www.senate.mo.gov/11info/BTS_...BillID=4124271

Paging Charles Dickens, paging Charles Dickens.

This act modifies the child labor laws. It eliminates the prohibition on employment of children under age fourteen. Restrictions on the number of hours and restrictions on when a child may work during the day are also removed. It also repeals the requirement that a child ages fourteen or fifteen obtain a work certificate or work permit in order to be employed. Children under sixteen will also be allowed to work in any capacity in a motel, resort or hotel where sleeping accommodations are furnished. It also removes the authority of the director of the Division of Labor Standards to inspect employers who employ children and to require them to keep certain records for children they employ. It also repeals the presumption that the presence of a child in a workplace is evidence of employment.

Jesus wept.

[The Man]

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

The other option is to shoot the horses, are you advocating the shooting of women?

What a strange misreading.

[Crumb]

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

No, because how then would the fake presentation of a two party system work?

Abortion is an emotional issue used to get the proles to take sides, like sports fans.

The two parties are the same party, you might watch Professional Wrestling to see how it works.

So you are arguing in favor of the two party political show? YOU are claiming this has something to do with the budget. If you think it is a political show, why do you give a fuck about a fraction of a cent per taxpayer? Abortions are not and never have been a budget concern.

[Jerome]

Originally Posted by Crumb

So you are arguing in favor of the two party political show? YOU are claiming this has something to do with the budget. If you think it is a political show, why do you give a fuck about a fraction of a cent per taxpayer? Abortions are not and never have been a budget concern.

I don't vote for either major party. I am claiming that the abortion issue is a tool used to get the proles to divide though an emotional Pavlov like response.

The nation is run by one party, hell, take Hope and Change for a recent example, with a Congress of his party all Obama has done is expand Bush policies.

[Kael]

Problem is, JEROME, what you said here:

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

Zomygod...the govnmnt is out of manoey and cant pay for everybodies problems any more.....

what to do????

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

So, who here needs government to pay to end their pregnancy?

...or is it just another slush fund?

give lie to your assertion that you don't back either party. Since these are exactly the principle arguments one party makes to back their efforts at defunding abortion services.

Which is it, an honest and real budget issue, or a political tactic to divide the proles?

[lisarea]

A fetus will “testify” about abortion bill - Feministe

Well, then. There you have it, I suppose.

Yessiree. That certainly is an item of note, and I have now made note of it.

[Jerome]

Originally Posted by Kael

Problem is, JEROME, what you said here:

give lie to your assertion that you don't back either party. Since these are exactly the principle arguments one party makes to back their efforts at defunding abortion services.

Which is it, an honest and real budget issue, or a political tactic to divide the proles?

It is not my fault that you can not follow, blame your parents for the genes they gave to you.

There is no more money, abortion is used to make the sides ignore this this fact and argue over nonsense.

[lisarea]

Rep. Matt Heinz: Abortion Bill Could Destroy UA's OB/GYN Program | The Range: The Tucson Weekly's Daily Dispatch

[Jerome]

Originally Posted by lisarea

Rep. Matt Heinz: Abortion Bill Could Destroy UA's OB/GYN Program | The Range: The Tucson Weekly's Daily Dispatch

Require doctors to perform an ultrasound at least one hour before an abortion and point out the fetus’ extremities and offer the woman an opportunity to listen to the heartbeat and take a photo home.

Are you against informed choice?

[The Man]

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

It is not my fault that you can not follow, blame your parents for the genes they gave to you.

There is no more money, abortion is used to make the sides ignore this this fact and argue over nonsense.

I see the point flew completely over your head. It is irrelevant whether abortion funding is cut or not. It is a drop in an ocean. The political party you allege not to support, yet whose stances you almost universally defend, is the one using abortion as an issue to distract from the fact that they have absolutely no useful suggestions for how to tackle the budget crisis. Naturally, there are plenty - the military spending that the overwhelming majority of them (with the exception of Ron Paul and a few other iconoclasts) have no objection to would be one of the most obvious cases, as it uses several thousand times what abortion funding does and provides no tangible security benefits to this country. But naturally, they don't want to focus on that.

The budget problems are irrelevant. The Republicans don't give a shit about the budget or they wouldn't be advocating continued tax breaks for billionaires. They're just using abortion to distract from the fact that they don't care.

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

Require doctors to perform an ultrasound at least one hour before an abortion and point out the fetus’ extremities and offer the woman an opportunity to listen to the heartbeat and take a photo home.

Are you against informed choice?

This isn't an issue of "informed choice," it's an issue of forcing people through unnecessary and irrelevant inconveniences. It is a scientific fact that a foetus is physiologically incapable of any form of suffering.

[Jerome]

Originally Posted by The Man

The political party you allege not to support, yet whose stances you almost universally defend, is the one using abortion as an issue to distract from the fact that they have absolutely no useful suggestions for how to tackle the budget crisis.

You are almost catching on.

[Jerome]

Originally Posted by The Man

This isn't an issue of "informed choice," it's an issue of forcing people through unnecessary and irrelevant inconveniences.

Right, one should not be advised before surgery about what is happening because that is an "unnecessary and irrelevant inconvenience".

Do you feel the same way about other medical procedures, or just this emotional hot topic one?

[The Man]

I am quite certain women asking for abortions already know what happens in abortions. The fact that you think so little of their scientific knowledge makes me wonder in what other ways you underestimate them.

[Jerome]

Originally Posted by The Man

I am quite certain women asking for abortions already know what happens in abortions. The fact that you think so little of their scientific knowledge makes me wonder in what other ways you underestimate them.

You are certain that all people know about all medical procedures and should not be burdened by the "unnecessary and irrelevant inconvenience", or just this particular political hot topic medical procedure?

Dude, be careful, I think you are about to Godwin this thread.

[lisarea]

I'm pretty sure that particular issue has been discussed at some length already, and if you haven't seen it, The Man's got it.

So what about this part, Jerome? The one that the article title is referring to? Did you read that part, too?

HB 2384, sponsored by Rep. Debbie Lesko, R-Glendale, would ban public funding or tax credits from being used to provide, pay for, promote, provide coverage of or provide referrals for abortions. It also would ban state universities and community colleges from using state funding or tuition money to train students to perform abortions.[...]

Heinz said the bill would cause the University of Arizona College of Medicine to lose accreditation for its obstetrics and gynecology program because the measure would no longer allow schools to use state funding or student tuition dollars to teach abortion procedures.

“Two hundred residents who are currently actively training will actually have to leave,” Heinz said. “Their training will be forfeited and it will be like the program never existed.”

[Jerome]

Lisarea, you need to ask yourself: What is so special about this particular medical procedure outside of it's political value?

[The Man]

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

You are certain that all people know about all medical procedures and should not be burdened by the "unnecessary and irrelevant inconvenience", or just this particular political hot topic medical procedure?

Dude, be careful, I think you are about to Godwin this thread.

I didn't mention any medical procedures other than abortion. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?

[Ari]

Originally Posted by lisarea

A fetus will “testify” about abortion bill - Feministe

Aww how cute, look everybody that fetus will be able to mechanically pump a liquid around tubes, it's a person now!

Of course at 9 weeks that fetus is representing the minority since 63% of abortions in Ohio happen before 9 weeks. As it gets later the abortion numbers drop off greatly. Often late term abortions are for medical reasons, showing once again Family values hates women.

[Jerome]

What is so special about this particular medical procedure outside of it's emotional political value?