A revolution in thought - Page 1822

peacegirl · #**45526** 03-13-2016, 03:03 PM

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Peacegirl, you said you were going to fuck off.

When exactly will you be fucking off?

What's it to you Spacemonkey? And I never said I will be fucking off in those words.

Wanna bet? I'll wager you a copy of the book that you did. Agreed?

I'm not betting anything Spacemonkey. I may have said things that are out of character for me because of the onslaught of attacks. I don't remember saying this particular phrase, "I'm going to fuck off." Maybe I did. That's irrelevant to the discussion anyway, so I don't care. Stop bringing in things that have no meaning.

peacegirl · #**45527** 03-13-2016, 03:05 PM

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That's not what he's saying Vivisectus. He is only explaining what happens as infants. Once the infant has gained enough sense experience by being talked to, held, played with, sang to, etc., the brain begins to focus the eyes. After the eyes focus, they stay focused.

After all this time, you still understand the word 'focus', do you?

You are talking about a different kind of focus which involves adjusting one's eye or a lens so as to make a clear image. That's not what I'm talking about here.

So why not use the appropriate word?

I think you don't even know what you're talking about, so you're forced to use these vague words that have well defined meanings in the same context, to make it sound like you know what's going on. You don't.

That's not true. This is a new observation so there is no word that can explain it except for what we already have. I don't believe people don't get what he was saying, if they are truly interested. I'm banking on that.

Dragar · #**45528** 03-13-2016, 03:14 PM

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That's not true. This is a new observation so there is no word that can explain it except for what we already have.

But that word doesn't explain it, does it? Because it means something completely different to how everyone else uses that word in the context of vision. You're just trying to pick up some credibility by using that word, when actually you mean something different.

You won't even tell us what your word 'focus' is supposed to mean!

peacegirl · #**45529** 03-13-2016, 03:16 PM

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That's not true. This is a new observation so there is no word that can explain it except for what we already have.

But that word doesn't explain it, does it? Because it means something completely different to how everyone else uses that word in the context of vision. You're just trying to pick up some credibility by using that word, when actually you mean something different.

NO, I am trying to explain how the brain works Dragar, and it's difficult because there is nothing to describe what is going on. Lessans used that word to explain what has never been explained before, and this word was the closest to it. Forget it Dragar, you will try to discredit him even when they find that he may have been right. You are too biased to have any real objectivity.

Dragar · #**45530** 03-13-2016, 04:01 PM

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Lessans used that word to explain what has never
been explained before, and this word was the closest to it.

The bending of light rays to converge on a point was the closest to it? Sure. Keep up the pretence. You still haven't even tried to explain what you actually meant.

peacegirl · #**45531** 03-13-2016, 04:19 PM

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Lessans used that word to explain what has never
been explained before, and this word was the closest to it.

The bending of light rays to converge on a point was the closest to it? Sure. Keep up the pretence. You still haven't even tried to explain what you actually meant.

I think it was rather clear, but if it wasn't to you it probably because you're really not interested in what he has to say. Not surprising in the least.

But · #**45532** 03-13-2016, 04:34 PM

peacegirl, what do rods and cones do?

peacegirl · #**45533** 03-13-2016, 04:47 PM

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peacegirl, what do rods and cones do?

They identify the intensity of light. Cones are sensitive to bright light and rods help you see in dim light.

But · #**45534** 03-13-2016, 05:06 PM

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peacegirl, what do rods and cones do?

The identify the intensity of light. Cones are sensitive to bright light and rods help you see in dim light.

Go on.

peacegirl · #**45535** 03-13-2016, 05:17 PM

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peacegirl, what do rods and cones do?

The identify the intensity of light. Cones are sensitive to bright light and rods help you see in dim light.

Go on.

Please tell me what you are trying to get at.

thedoc · #**45536** 03-13-2016, 05:20 PM

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Look, you really cannot blame people for not believing a claim when it is not supported in any way.

I already told people that he did not collect empirical data. If that's what you're looking for, you're not going to find it. That is not how he came to his conclusions, although they can be verified.

Then verify his claims and stop flailing around without any evidence.

thedoc · #**45537** 03-13-2016, 05:24 PM

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Just look at this for example:

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Sight takes place for the first time when a sufficient accumulation
of sense experience such as hearing, taste, touch, and smell — these
are doorways in — awakens the brain so that the child can look
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For starters the sentence is hard to even make sense of. Look through what? Through experience? Or through the metaphorical doorways? That makes no sense, as they are just a figure of speech!

No, it's not a metaphor. Doorways in is equivalent to "afferent" pathways. He is explaining how sight takes place. When we're born our eyes are not focused. All the other senses are in full working order. As we experience the world through the other senses, this stimulation awakens the brain to desire to see. It causes the brain to focus the eyes.

Wrong, the eyes are focused at birth, but they focus at a short distance, just far enough to see the mothers face while nursing.

But · #**45538** 03-13-2016, 06:21 PM

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peacegirl, what do rods and cones do?

The identify the intensity of light. Cones are sensitive to bright light and rods help you see in dim light.

Go on.

Please tell me what you are trying to get at.

A bit more detail please.

The Lone Ranger · #**45539** 03-13-2016, 06:53 PM

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As a follow-up, why do you think that the pupils constrict and dilate in response to changing light levels?

Here's a hint: as has been repeatedly pointed out to you, neither the pupils (which are just holes) nor the iris muscles are light-sensitive. Guess where the only photosensitive structures are in the eye?

The retina. Okay, so light strikes the retina which causes the pupil to contract or dilate.

Nope. It's more complicated than that.

thedoc · #**45540** 03-13-2016, 07:29 PM

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but that the brain contacts the various objects by peering through the eyes.
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How does the brain peer through the eyes? From the back of the eye to the brain, the material is opaque, and are you trying to say that the brain has another set of eyes to look through the windows of the eye to see things? What part of the brain is doing the "looking"?

Spacemonkey · #**45541** 03-13-2016, 09:49 PM

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Peacegirl, you said you were going to fuck off.

When exactly will you be fucking off?

What's it to you Spacemonkey? And I never said I will be fucking off in those words.

Wanna bet? I'll wager you a copy of the book that you did. Agreed?

I'm not betting anything Spacemonkey. I may have said things that are out of character for me because of the onslaught of attacks. I don't remember saying this particular phrase, "I'm going to fuck off." Maybe I did. That's irrelevant to the discussion anyway, so I don't care. Stop bringing in things that have no meaning.

So when are you going to fuck off?

peacegirl · #**45542** 03-13-2016, 09:59 PM

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but that the brain contacts the various objects by peering through the eyes.
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How does the brain peer through the eyes? From the back of the eye to the brain, the material is opaque, and are you trying to say that the brain has another set of eyes to look through the windows of the eye to see things? What part of the brain is doing the "looking"?

The eyes are doing the looking but the brain is what causes the eyes to work together.

peacegirl · #**45543** 03-13-2016, 10:00 PM

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As a follow-up, why do you think that the pupils constrict and dilate in response to changing light levels?

Here's a hint: as has been repeatedly pointed out to you, neither the pupils (which are just holes) nor the iris muscles are light-sensitive. Guess where the only photosensitive structures are in the eye?

The retina. Okay, so light strikes the retina which causes the pupil to contract or dilate.

Nope. It's more complicated than that.

I'm sure it is.

peacegirl · #**45544** 03-13-2016, 10:03 PM

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peacegirl, what do rods and cones do?

The identify the intensity of light. Cones are sensitive to bright light and rods help you see in dim light.

Go on.

Please tell me what you are trying to get at.

A bit more detail please.

I asked you what was your aim. Please answer.

thedoc · #**45545** 03-13-2016, 10:12 PM

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but that the brain contacts the various objects by peering through the eyes.
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How does the brain peer through the eyes? From the back of the eye to the brain, the material is opaque, and are you trying to say that the brain has another set of eyes to look through the windows of the eye to see things? What part of the brain is doing the "looking"?

The eyes are doing the looking but the brain is what causes the eyes to work together.

That is the afferent account of vision, and it's not what your father wrote.

thedoc · #**45546** 03-13-2016, 10:14 PM

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peacegirl, what do rods and cones do?

The identify the intensity of light. Cones are sensitive to bright light and rods help you see in dim light.

Go on.

Please tell me what you are trying to get at.

A bit more detail please.

I asked you what was your aim. Please answer.

The aim is to find out how much you know, or don't know, about rods and cones.

Your dodging and evading questions does not enhance anyone's confidence in your knowledge or ability to answer questions.

But · #**45547** 03-13-2016, 10:34 PM

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peacegirl, what do rods and cones do?

The identify the intensity of light. Cones are sensitive to bright light and rods help you see in dim light.

Go on.

Please tell me what you are trying to get at.

A bit more detail please.

I asked you what was your aim. Please answer.

Nice dodge. I want to see where you are going to depart from the well-tested, detailed scientific description of how the visual system works and start invoking magic.

Now, what is the function of the three different types of these afferent nerve endings called cones (which your father claimed don't exist) that are sensitive to different colors? Surely that has nothing to do with pupil contraction?

Spacemonkey · #**45548** 03-13-2016, 10:36 PM

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I have surprised myself at the extent of my patience.

Me too...

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Please answer my questions about THESE photons (the ones at the camera film or retina on Earth at 12:00 when the Sun is first ignited), and without mentioning or reverting to any other different photons.

You need photons at the camera film or retina when the Sun is first ignited.

Are they traveling photons?

Did they come from the Sun?

Did they get to the film/retina by traveling?

Did they travel at the speed of light?

Can they leave the Sun before it is ignited?

Don't commit the postman's mistake by talking about different photons from those which are at the film/retina at 12:00. Don't even mention any photons other than those I have asked about. If you get to the end of the questions and realize the photons you are talking about are not the ones at the film/retina at 12:00, then you have fucked up again and have failed to actually answer what was asked.

Five words, Peacegirl. Five words and a little bit of honesty. Is that too much to ask?

Bump.

peacegirl · #**45549** 03-13-2016, 11:04 PM

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but that the brain contacts the various objects by peering through the eyes.
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How does the brain peer through the eyes? From the back of the eye to the brain, the material is opaque, and are you trying to say that the brain has another set of eyes to look through the windows of the eye to see things? What part of the brain is doing the "looking"?

The eyes are doing the looking but the brain is what causes the eyes to work together.

That is the afferent account of vision, and it's not what your father wrote.

It was not in those exact words, but it means the same thing.

peacegirl · #**45550** 03-13-2016, 11:08 PM

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peacegirl, what do rods and cones do?

The identify the intensity of light. Cones are sensitive to bright light and rods help you see in dim light.

Go on.

Please tell me what you are trying to get at.

A bit more detail please.

I asked you what was your aim. Please answer.

Nice dodge. I want to see where you are going to depart from the well-tested, detailed scientific description of how the visual system works and start invoking magic.

Now, what is the function of the three different types of these afferent nerve endings called cones (which your father claimed don't exist) that are sensitive to different colors? Surely that has nothing to do with pupil contraction?

He didn't say they didn't exist. He said there were no similar afferent nerve endings in the eye that make direct contact. I don't want to over-analyze this excerpt because it does not nullify his original claim that sense experience awakens the brain which causes a focusing of the eyes to see that which it is experiencing. If you don't want to move on, that's okay. We can end the conversation here.