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Old 01-19-2012, 04:04 PM
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Default Re: A Revolution in Thought: Part Two

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I thought this graphic was really helpful in explaining the problem. Do you have a response, peacegirl?

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I think Peacegirl will still need some kind of simplified diagram or picture to follow what is being said. (And even then she'll just have to flatly deny it or appeal to mysterious unknown factors once she gets it.) Anyway, I'll give it a shot...


Peacegirl, imagine that we want to send a rocket to planet :earth:. This planet is moving across the sky from left to right, across the points represented by letters below:

<- A - B - C - D - E - F - G - H - I - J - K - L - M - N - O - P - Q - R - S - T ->

At time T1 we look at the planet and see it at point B, like so:


<- A - :earth: - C - D - E - F - G - H - I - J - K - L - M - N - O - P - Q - R - S - T ->

Bob is a lessanologist and proponent of real-time efferent vision, so he assumes that the planet really is at B at T1. He calculates how far the planet will travel across the sky while the rocket travels to get there, and works out that :earth: will cover ten letter-points during this travel time. So Bob fires his rocket towards point L.

Jim is a normal person and proponent of delayed afferent vision, so he assumes that what he sees at T1 is a dated image and that the planet only appears to be at B at T1, while it is really at point E. So Jim also calculates how far the planet will travel while his rocket is in flight - using the exact same calculation for this as Bob - and also determines that :earth: will cover ten letter-points during this travel time. But because he believes that the planet is at E rather than B at T1, he aims his rocket towards point O instead of point L like Bob.

Bob understands the situation like this:

<- A - :earth: - C - D - E - F - G - H - I - J - K - L - M - N - O - P - Q - R - S - T ->

Point B is both the perceived and actual position of :earth: at T1, and point L is where he aims his rocket.

Jim understands the situation like this:

<- A - :ssun: - C - D - :earth: - F - G - H - I - J - K - L - M - N - O - P - Q - R - S - T ->

Point B is only the apparent position of the planet at T1 which is really at E, so he aims his rocket at Point O instead of point L.

When they fire their rockets, guess what happens. Jim's rocket arrives at the planet while Bob's rocket does not. Both use the exact same calculations. The only difference is that Bob takes his perception of the planet's location at T1 to be real-time, while Jim takes it to be dated. Yet it turns out that Jim was right, and both Bob and Lessans were wrong.
Forget it!! You will not discredit Lessans by your sneaky insinuation that those who agree with him are now Lessanologists... along with the disgusting statement that anyone who agrees with Lessans is not normal. LadyShea, you are on probation. Be careful what you say or you will be put on ignore island like all those who came before you. :(
Weasel. Spacemonkey offered as clear an explanation as is possible to give about how apparent position is used in calculating actual position by NASA. Your being upset at him being a meanie doesn't change that.

Go ahead and put me on ignore, then you will only have ThreeLawsSafe left to talk to. Which he seems nice and intelligent, but what is your goal in staying at :ff: if you only have one person to discuss with?
I could care less who I talk to; you are not going to use derogatory terms to subtly make Lessans look like an idiot. And don't tell me you don't have an agenda to do that very thing. :fuming:
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