[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Flip flop!

I asked you point blank that if the sun was newly ignited at noon, and we could see it at noon with our efferent vision, could we also take a picture of it at noon using a film camera, or would we have to await the lights' arrival to Earth at 12:083 to take a photograph

You said, multiple times, that at noon, the same time we could see it, we could also photograph it even though the light from the sun has not yet reached Earth to interact with the film.

I have been asking you for over a week now how that works since in order to take a photograph, actual light must actually strike film

A camera works on the same principle as the eyes do, even if the camera doesn't have a brain. The subject must be in view, so when the lens is focused on that subject, the photons being reflected provide a mirror image on the film, but it's the entire view (or screen) that intersects with the film, not just the subject.

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Um, you are saying contradictory things between the post above and the posts below.

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Here you go, where you said we would not have to wait the arrival of light

Originally Posted by peacegirl

The answer is one.[We would be able to take a photograph of the Sun at the same time we see the Sun, not 8.5 minutes later.]

We can see the Sun before the photons reach us but we would be getting a mirror image of just the Sun since the rest of the photograph would be dark. Once the photons arrive on Earth, we would get an image of the Sun, but we would also be able to see other images in the picture (due to daylight) such as trees, grass, houses, cars, etc, as long as these objects were in the camera's field of view.

This is not a contradiction LadyShea. One is based on the speed of light which is finite, and the other is based on efferent vision which gives us a mirror image of reality in real time.

Originally Posted by LadyShea

So how does the physical light strike the physical film in your "mirror image" as is required to take a photograph?

The same way it would strike the retina in the efferent model, which means that the photons are intersecting at the film the instant a photograph is taken. We're talking about the entire field of view becoming the mirror image on the film which provide the intersection where the photons and film meet, not just one object within that field of view. I'm trying to help you imagine how this is plausible.

http://leitner.broadneck.org/TEXT/Ph...ook/chap17.pdf