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He had no presuppositions, so how can they be bad ones?
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The arguments of his book have presuppositions, whether
he did or not. And they are controversial ones in need of support.
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The infallible standard you are referring to was not presupposed.
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It wasn't argued for in his book, yet his book's arguments require it. Therefore it is a presupposition within his book.
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It was an outgrowth of his observations.
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Then these 'observations' remain unknown and cannot be in his book, for what is actually presented in his book presupposes rather than argues for conscience consisting of such a standard.
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That's what this discovery proves; that there is an infallible ethical standard...
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His discovery cannot prove it's own premises. That's circular.
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This is where you are confused. I can feel very guilty about something without considering that same action to be blameworthy in others. Both judgments may proceed from the same assessment of moral responsibility...
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Nope. If they both proceed from the same assessment of moral responsibility then you can't do that at all.
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You keep associating blameworthiness with hurt because you believe that blame is necessary for the development of conscience. That's completely inaccurate. Just because someone doesn't blame me for hurting them does not mean that I will feel guilt free if I do hurt them.
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Strawman. That has never been my argument.
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The only person confused about moral responsibility is yourself. And there can be no conscience in a world where everyone is convinced that there is no right or wrong in reality, as conscience requires moral judgment.
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Didn't say what? You certainly
did say there is no right or wrong in reality.
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I said that the judgment by others as to what is right or wrong is going to cease. That in no way frees one of moral responsibility. It increases it. Conscience will be alive and well when all judgment ceases.
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No, it won't. Because conscience
is a form of moral judgment.
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We aren't removing discernment over our own behavior, and we aren't removing the ethical standard as to what is and is not a valid hurt
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That would be the same presupposed innate and universal standard you keep failing to establish or support.