[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Lessans

You are now standing on this present moment of time and space called here and you are given two alternatives, either live or kill yourself; either move to the next spot called there or remain where you are without moving a hair's breadth by committing suicide.

Originally Posted by LadyShea

This a straight up false dilemma fallacy.

Oh really? Try to remain where you are and not move a hair's breadth. You can't do it for long. It's not a false dilemma. What other choice is there?

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Also, this is Lessans contradicting himself. Committing suicide is movement in the direction of greater satisfaction as it is an action. If, as Lessans claimed, people commit suicide because they are "dissatisfied" with "here" it must be because they want to move to "there". There can be defined as any place/time that isn't here, just as easily as it can be defined as "the next moment".

It can, but everyone knows what he was referring to. It doesn't need more explanation.

Originally Posted by peacegirl

True, but the next moment for them was to commit suicide. That is the spot they moved to because no other "there" was satisfactory,

Originally Posted by LadyShea

But Lessans insisted that suicide was a way of staying "here" of not moving one whit....he said "or remain where you are without moving a hair's breadth by committing suicide". So you just contradicted him as he contradicted himself.

Because committing suicide in this world is not having to move to there.

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Poor argumentation on Lessans part, and poor defense on yours due to contradictions.

There are no contradictions. Anyone would understand what he meant, but you are splitting hairs.

Originally Posted by LadyShea

To someone dissatisfied enough with here, there may be Heaven or a new life cycle or oblivion or any of many sorts of possible theres.

Yes, that's true, and maybe that's part of the motivation to commit suicide, but we're talking about the body remaining where it is and never again having to move or breath or talk or think. I call that death.

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Right, and they are willing to die (or stop moving from here to there) for the possibility of a better life, even if they aren't sure what is to come.

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Which means you disagree with Lessans statement that committing suicide is "remaining where you are"

There is no disagreement. Peoples' bodies remain in the exact spot they died. I've never seen a dead person get up and move, have you?

Originally Posted by Lessans

“I prefer...” Excuse the interruption, but the very fact that you started to answer me or didn’t commit suicide at that moment makes it obvious that you were not satisfied to stay in one position,

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Again suicide is an action, a movement. It demonstrates dissatisfaction with staying in one position.

Of course it's a movement. It's a movement to get off of the spot of life forever, as the lesser of two evils.

Originally Posted by LadyShea

To truly "stay in one position" one would do nothing at all, no action whatsoever. The next moment comes whether one acts or not, because time passes without our input.

That's true, but we can't stay "here" for long without doing something. Try staying on one spot for more than a few minutes and see what happens.