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Originally Posted by Lessans
You are now standing on this present moment of time and space called here and you are given two alternatives, either live or kill yourself; either move to the next spot called there or remain where you are without moving a hair's breadth by committing suicide.
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Originally Posted by LadyShea
This a straight up false dilemma fallacy.
Also, this is Lessans contradicting himself. Committing suicide is movement in the direction of greater satisfaction as it is an action. If, as Lessans claimed, people commit suicide because they are "dissatisfied" with "here" it must be because they want to move to "there". There can be defined as any place/time that isn't here, just as easily as it can be defined as "the next moment".
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Originally Posted by peacegirl
True, but the next moment for them was to commit suicide. That is the spot they moved to because no other "there" was satisfactory,
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But Lessans insisted that suicide was a way of staying "here" of not moving one whit....he said "
or remain where you are without moving a hair's breadth by committing suicide". So you just contradicted him as he contradicted himself.
Poor argumentation on Lessans part, and poor defense on yours due to contradictions.
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Originally Posted by LadyShea
To someone dissatisfied enough with here, there may be Heaven or a new life cycle or oblivion or any of many sorts of possible theres.
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Originally Posted by peacegirl
Absolutely, and they are willing to give up "here" for the possibility of a better life "there", even if they aren't sure what is to come.
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Which means
you disagree with Lessans statement that committing suicide is "remaining where you are"
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Originally Posted by Lessans
“I prefer...” Excuse the interruption, but the very fact that you started to answer me or didn’t commit suicide at that moment makes it obvious that you were not satisfied to stay in one position,
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Originally Posted by LadyShea
Again suicide is an action, a movement. It demonstrates dissatisfaction with staying in one position.
To truly "stay in one position" one would do nothing at all, no action whatsoever. The next moment comes whether one acts or not, because time passes without our input.
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