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Originally Posted by peacegirl
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Originally Posted by LadyShea
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Stop it right there. There are principles that can be detected from observing a few. We cannot observe every single apple that falls from a tree, but we can make a general observation from the fact that we never see apples fall upwards. You are dismissing his observations because you just can't believe that he was right.
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But, as I have explained over and over again, every person can observe apples falling down every time that is an empirical observation. |
LadyShea, just because the observation was just below the radar of what the average person could see doesn't make it wrong.
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Originally Posted by LadyShea
Nobody has shared Lessans observations, nor can anyone seem to duplicate them because he didn't tell us what or who he observed. He didn't observe behaviors or individuals.
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Are you kidding me? He read the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire 7 times because he was beginning to see patterns in behavior that we couldn't see from just one lonely apple falling from one lonely tree. Seriously LadyShea, you have no idea what you're talking about. |
I'm sure there are plenty of people who have read decline and fall many more times than that. So what?
When people read other books and claim there is information in the book that supports their case then they cite page and paragraph. Otherwise they are not taken seriously. And even if they cite page and paragraph, its just a book. You can read it 100 times and it can still be wrong. Reading it many times doesn't make it right.
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You can't compare empirical observations to non-empirical.
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But his knowledge came from actual observations. I don't understand you because you are totally dismissing what I have shared with you this entire time.
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You just said that his knowledge came from another book. That is not an actual observation, that is second hand knowledge at best and if it is about the Roman empire then it is fourth, fifth, nth hand knowledge at best.
First hand knowledge is when you see it yourself. Like watching an apple fall. That is first hand knowledge. Anything from a book is at very best second hand knowledge.
So even Lessans book is at best second hand knowledge and not very good second hand knowledge because Lessans didn't bother to provide enough information for others to reproduce his observations.
peacegirl you've been told this many dozens of times and it still just does not sink in. Your brain just does not work.