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Old 07-24-2020, 08:04 AM
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I wonder if cancel culture includes imprisoning critics of the regime?

NYC judge sends Michael Cohen home, agrees with 'retaliation' claims - UPI.com

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July 23 (UPI) -- A federal judge ordered Thursday that Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's former personal attorney, be released to home confinement -- agreeing with arguments that his return to prison amounted to government retaliation.

Cohen was taken back into custody this month during a hearing that arranged the terms of his house arrest. He was furloughed from prison in May due to underlying health conditions that put him at greater risk should he contract COVID-19.

The American Civil Liberties Union and a New York law firm filed suit this week calling for Cohen's release, arguing that his rearrest amounted to retaliation for his plans to publish a book about the president.
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It occurs to me that :ff: stands for the principle of not silencing people - like FULLZENSHITOF, peacegirl, Slobberin', etc etc. And yet of many of those people saying they feel silenced by the girly gang. Both aspects make me feel good.
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I haven't read the studies yet, so can't opine on the content, but is it just me or is there something astonishingly ironic about posting these links on a protected tweet?

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Banning this weirdo wouldn't be silencing at all, bro's posts have already been made years ago. Reposting here is just search engine optimization for whatever reason.
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Old 07-24-2020, 08:37 PM
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I don’t know what ‘conclusion’ Pinker thinks the paper I’m not sure he read comes too but there’s a ton of “This paper raises as many questions as it answers”, “failure to draw a connection” and “our analysis has only scratched the surface” in it, that really makes the use of the phrase “come to the same conclusion” suspect.

I can’t see his twitter thread so I’m curious what conclusion he thinks it came too, and does he agree with the paper that women are more likely to self censor than men?
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His second tweet leads to another paper, this one by CATO.

Poll: 62% of Americans Say They Have Political Views They’re Afraid to Share | Cato Institute

Now that I've skimmed both I don't think my initial assumption was necessarily valid. I was thinking since he was a signatory on the Harpers letter then surely these studies would show how liberals are out of control shutting everyone down. The CATO paper does lean that direction, at least with the conclusion that "strong liberals" appear to be less afraid to speak their mind than centrists on up, but I don't know. I don't think either study is a strong critique of "cancel culture".
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Banning this weirdo wouldn't be silencing at all, bro's posts have already been made years ago. Reposting here is just search engine optimization for whatever reason.
I believe - but don't care enough to check - that he was making fresh posts years ago on multiple forums including here. Years ago, noob. :P
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Reposting here is just search engine optimization for whatever reason.
That's why I move his first thread to the Cloaca: so it won't be indexed. I should have done that years ago but, um... I wasn't here.
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This is good, too.

Don't Fall For The 'Cancel Culture' Scam | HuffPost

From the linkUltimately, the Harper’s letter represents a much larger problem than oversensitive college students or uber-woke employees: the failure of elite institutions to see through the bad faith of the far right. For nearly a decade, conservative outlets have highlighted meaningless anecdotes to advance narratives about “campus political correctness gone wrong” and “free speech under attack.” Beyond absurd slippery-slope arguments, they have never provided any evidence that these issues are worthy of the nation’s attention.

“Cancel culture” is nothing more than the latest repackaging of the argument that the true threat to liberalism resides not in lawmakers or large corporations but in overly sensitive college students and random social media users. It is no more sophisticated than the “war on Christmas” and has the same goal: to imply that those pushing back against injustice are equivalent to the injustice itself.


And, as if Michael Hobbes had been reading :ff:, "The vast majority of American employment is “at will,” meaning companies can fire their workers for any reason and at any time. A great way to fix this problem would be to advocate for stronger unions and better employment protections."

I found this while looking for helpful material on the Jodi Shaw issue for a discussion elsewhere. I nearly used it but decided that, Bari Weiss notwithstanding, it wasn't really on target. Yes, both disputes arise from right-wing attempts to weaponise left-wing values to push back on progress, but I don't believe they are the same left-wing values, so they need separate treatment, I think.

I'm like, what shall I do with this then? I know—I'll post it on :ff:!
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Another one, addressed more generally to those who inveigh against "a political culture with consistent norms, and philosophical premises that happen to be incompatible with liberalism" —dubbed by Wesley Yang "Successor Culture".

The Willful Blindness of Reactionary Liberalism

From the linkAll of their supposed enthusiasm for debate and heterodoxy is typically marshaled in defense of a handful of opinions⁠—on transgender identity, feminist sexual politics, and the nature of racial disadvantage—which, far from having been chased into some intellectually “dark” corner, are relatively common and largely shared by the most politically powerful people in America today.
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I hadn’t heard of Jodi Shaw, so I looked her up and read this article

Alleging ‘racially hostile environment’, white former Smith College employee Jodi Shaw files discrimination complaint; school calls claims ‘baseless’ - masslive.com


Damn, she is a poster child for aggrieved white fragility.


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In 2021, there’s a simple formula for becoming a cancel culture martyr, and it’s essentially as follows: One, make a tone-deaf remark or faux pas betraying your ignorance of your own privilege; two, lose your job or be publicly reprimanded over said offense; three, get a centrist or right-leaning columnist or public figure with a large platform to take up your cause, persuading their audience to rally behind you as an unwitting sacrifice on the altar of hyper-wokeness. Last week, we saw this formula play out with Gina Carano, the MMA-fighter-turned-Mandalorian-star who was fired by Lucasfilm after posting a meme drawing parallels between being a conservative and being a Jew during the Holocaust. Far from disappearing from public life, however, she quickly rebounded by teaming up with conservative commentator Ben Shapiro, who announced that he was planning to produce a movie she would star in. This week, it’s happening again with Jodi Shaw, a former librarian at Smith College, who dramatically resigned from the institution after taking umbrage with what she characterized as its “racially hostile environment.” Among the instances of this environment she cites: being told by a supervisor not to rap during a library orientation presentation.
Rollingstone places it in the proper context.


https://www.rollingstone.com/culture...arian-1132010/
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Another one, addressed more generally to those who inveigh against "a political culture with consistent norms, and philosophical premises that happen to be incompatible with liberalism" —dubbed by Wesley Yang "Successor Culture".

The Willful Blindness of Reactionary Liberalism

From the linkAll of their supposed enthusiasm for debate and heterodoxy is typically marshaled in defense of a handful of opinions⁠—on transgender identity, feminist sexual politics, and the nature of racial disadvantage—which, far from having been chased into some intellectually “dark” corner, are relatively common and largely shared by the most politically powerful people in America today.
Thanks for sharing this, it’s really fucking good.


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Critics of progressive identity politics frequently argue that progressives seem congenitally incapable of recognizing the progress our country has made. But to take that progress seriously is to recognize that much of what has recently been dubbed progressive illiberalism these past few weeks and years has been the stirring of a diverse nation at what is inarguably liberalism’s zenith. Any given vandal taking down a statue of Grant or Lincoln or Washington is more committed to the cardinal liberal principles than any of those leaders were; most Americans today take the rights and autonomy of minorities and women entirely for granted, and they simply did not. Our noble defenders of historical statuary will continue to argue loudly that they could not, and issue complaints about holding the major figures of our past to today’s standards, our need for heroes to venerate, and all the rest⁠. But whether or not one agrees, our social tumult should be seen, on balance, as evidence of our country’s movement forward—toward the liberal ideal and not away from it. One cannot claim otherwise without doing violence to a morbid, violent history.

This resonated with me.
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